Haleigh Cummings (Continued as of 8/11/2009)

[Pam]

He showed both sides of the fence to be fair. If he felt with his heart that they are the ones responsible that is just his right to do so. I never read where he was rude about it. Simply stating facts to back up his feelings. I for one am still out on who the actual person involved is but I do know I sway more to one side of the family than the other because of their actions or lack there of. All JMHO

And that is your right to do Lindy!  I have never heard you be disrespectful about it though.

[sourapple]

Too many people making excuses and wanting to set aside bad behavior is why we are all here talking about Haleigh Anne Marie Cummings.    I believe if some of the adults and almost adults in Haleigh's life were held to standards that adhered to the norms in society she would never have disappeared.

BBM

I totally disagree with what I bolded. IMO, there is no proof found anywhere that whatever is going on in this family has led to Haleighs disappearance. Not even a POI has been mentioned by LE. People from all walks of life, no matter their backgrounds, has had a family member go missing. And have been proven innocent.

[iamasecret]

I got it.

A witness who lives nearby gave deputies a written statement about what she saw the previous night. The woman said she had been watching television and heard Cummings' truck coming up the road in front of her house. In her statement the woman wrote that she saw Cummings driving his truck and saw him slow down in front of Croslin's house. Then, she said, he appeared to put something into the mailbox.

http://www.ocala.com/article/20090812/ARTICLES/908129986?Title=Missing-girl-s-dad-accused-of-putting-headless-rat-in-mailbox

Ty so it was a women who could identify Cummings truck by the sound even though she was watching TV and most likely had all window closed with the air condition going. Amazing...

[2Spunky]

Pam
Perhaps you should not speak about things that you might not know anything about-Just my opinion and my belief.

Sounds like she got it right CIV.

[2Spunky]

I just am so amazed that he of all people believe that others have been banned because of the side they chose (stating it as Ronald's).. when I didn't see it that way at all.  I don't believe that Spunky would ever ban someone for taking someone's side.  Maybe it just so happened that the people that got banned were on one side or the other, but that was not the reason they are no longer here.  I have to believe it has more to do with the way they worded their statements and ini the end, the absolute total disrespect for the Mod and others on this board at times.  The name calling and such is just so uncalled for among mature individuals and I find it hard to swallow that this was not apparent to all as to the reason.  We were asked over and over and over again to be sure not to state things that make one party or the other appear guilty to another reader or not to convict someone who has not been charged with a crime and yet it happened.  There are ramifications for not following guidelines in all walks of life and even though we enjoy a freedom of speech, there are guidelines to that as well.  It doesn't mean we get to convict a person, slander them or otherwise, thus abusing that freedom.  I am so sorry for those that did not understand that and all I ever ask is how would they like it if this was a place we had open discussion about someone in their family in the way some things were said.  I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion and I don't knock a single person for what their opinion is....but one has to admit, it was not always done with the best of respect.  Sorry, just my opinion.

You are absolutely correct, Pam.  I follow Art's guidelines, and HIS guidelines state that we don't impose guilt or sentencing on anyone who hasn't been charged of a crime, particularly a crime that may or may not have been committed.  Some have chosen since Ron's arrest last week to show total and complete disregard for not only those involved in this tragedy, but for fellow posters, Art, and myself.  People that have gotten banned are screaming "I didn't do anything wrong, I was banned for having an opinion.  The reality is that if you were banned, it was because of repeated violation of the TOS of this site.  Some may want to play the victim and say "I know my posts weren't in violation," and that's their right to argue, but it doesn't make it true.  If I have received reports on a posts, then obviously someone found them rude and offensive. Just because a post has been reported, however, doesn't necessarily make it an offensive post, but you can bet if it's received multiple posts, that it has crossed a line.  Those who were banned were NOT banned for their opinion of guilt or innocence, but rather their inappropriate way of expressing that opinion.  There's a huge difference.

Yes, this is the United States of America, and yes we enjoy freedom of speech as part of our inaliable rights...but the right to free speech does not mean this, or any other site, can or will allow anyone to step on someone else's rights in the process.  One person's rights do not cancel out someone else's right to be tried and convicted in a court of law by a jury of their peers.  Anonymous posters on a message board are not representatives of the US Judicial system.  There have been ZERO charges brought forth in this case.  Therefore there should be ZERO posts discussing not only someone's express guilt, but also the methods they've used to commit a crime that we don't even know has existed.

Everyone who has posted on this board is an adult.  As adults, there should be no reason why this should have to be explained over and over again.  I remain quite fond of LLPapa, as well as Marie - neither of which have been banned from this site.  Marie and I have posted on this and other boards together since day one.  The fact that I'm fond of anyone as a person doesn't negate the rules and regulations set forth by this site's owners, and in fact, I have received multiple pm's and e-mails asking why I have allowed certain posters to get away with things other posters can't, and Marie was mentioned by name.  In an effort to continue this site in a completely fair and impartial manner, I didn't have a choice but to call people on inappropriate posts, harassment of new posters, and the outing of posters joining us from another board.  These are the rules of this board...the rules set forth by the owner of this site.  I intend to uphold those rules.

[DRAVEN]

evening everyon 

[2Spunky]

And they are not saying they "believe" when they state that. 

Isn't that against tos?  To state something as fact?  I believe those people are accusing this neighbor of being a liar.

Isn't the rule here innocent until proven guilty?   Why is this poor neighbor permitted to be called a liar?

No, that is not permitted, and if you take a moment to review the TOS of this site, you'll see that you have the ability to report this post to the moderator, as there is no 24/7 moderator to watch every single post in real time.  If the post is reported, Art and I will see it.  If it's not reported, we can't guarantee we'll see each and every (upwards of) 1,000+ posts daily.  Please be proactive when you see TOS violations and report them so your concerns can be addressed.

[2Spunky]

This will be my six hundred twenty seventh and final post to the Art Harris site. I have watched this site degenerate and reach a point where logic and free speech are no longer a part of certain allowed comments. In my opinion, the stated purpose of a “fair and balanced site” is nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to force comments away from a position of expressing belief that RC or his family could be responsible for the crime against Haleigh. Several people have been banned who did nothing more than exhibit their right of free speech in expressing their opinions that RC was likely guilty or involved.

There hasn’t been a single supporter of RC’s innocence that has been banned. You can read back through the last couple of threads and it becomes apparent that as long as you don’t believe of his likely guilt, you are allowed to say anything you may choose and be supported. This includes salacious, unfounded, undocumented claims ranging from a psychic accusing a member of our armed forces being guilty to claims of imaginary sums of money being stolen by pro bono attorneys.

I can no longer be associated with a site that does not allow the full expression of free speech that so many brave men and women have fought and died to grant to each of us. I will not disrespect their sacrifice by remaining associated with a web site that attempts to restrict that right.
BBM

Below is the criminal record for Hank T. Croslin Jr. from Flagler County and the disposition for the cases.

You actually view this as an extensive criminal record?
BBMBBM

Where does any of this mention a child?

You also didn't mention the disposition of this matter did you?

Spunky, perhaps you could review once again the criminal record for Ronald Cummings to more clearly remind you of a criminal record that’s extensive by any definition. It’s posted by me in the photo/maps thread.

In closing, Spunky, I wish you the best. You are a talented wordsmith and it is my wish that you can find a spot in the journalistic world where your talents can be utilized and appreciated more fully than as a moderator in a public forum.

To the rest, I bid you Good Bye and hope for nothing but God’s blessings to shine on each of you. No matter our difference of opinions, I believe that we all desire the same thing, for Haleigh Marie Cummings to come home.

BBM

I was saddened to see your post, LLPapa.  I enjoyed your posts, and appreciated your input.  I do have to say, however, the items bolded above by me couldn't be more incorrect.  It saddens me greatly that some feel (not you, Papa) that the only way they can get their point across is to mount a continual campaign of attacks against posters who don't agree with them, bringing buddies over to back their attacks, and using verbage that is not only condescending, but abusive in nature, and absolutely against TOS.  If we allow this, then we become no better than the sites we all detest due to their ongoing infighting and constant backstabbing.  At this very hour, instead of using their time and energy to actually do something proactive for this little girl lost that so many profess to care deeply for, take a look around and see how many are instead using that time and energy sending e-mails, tweets, etc. that do nothing to help in the search for Haleigh Cummings, but manage to contribute to the kinds of ongoing personal assaults and harassment that we have all grown to detest.  If only this energy could be put towards something proactive, imagine how much could be accomplished in this case.

Take care, Papa.