Was Haleigh Cummings Killed At Trailer?
Art Harris on Jane Velez Mitchell Show, Thursday on HLN: Haleigh Update
By Art Harris, The Bald Truth, (c) www.artharris.com, all rights reserved
With Tommy Croslin now repeating the family mantra, that a Tennessee cousin killed missing Haleigh Cummings—and “needs to pay” for what he did—The Bald Truth has learned exclusive new details about conflicts that remain between his story, and sister, then babysitter Misty Croslin –and will have to be resolved before a strong case can be made against anyone for the child’s murder.
My sources tell me that an arrest could be made within weeks, with investigators building a circumstantial case based on forensic evidence, time lines, phone records and witnesses.
As for conflicts in his story, Tommy now claims Joe was there not to steal Ronald’s prized assault rifle, but to borrow it to go deer hunting at night, and when it wasn’t there, went wild and killed Haleigh, according to his lawyer, James Werter, who offers more details tonight on the Nancy Grace Show.
Only other sources close to the case tell The Bald Truth Misty Croslin, the babysitter who reported the missing child, admits she was part of a plot to steal a rifle Ronald had shown off over beer a few days earlier when Tommy and cousin Joe Overstreet dropped over to see the gun collection.
With Ronald’s penchant for gunplay, at times putting the barrel in his mouth around ex-girlfriends and his own children and threatening suicide– and later murder, if he learned who snatched his five year old – his then 17 year old girlfriend had every reason to want the gun out of the house.
That Sunday night, she’d just returned from a three day revenge romance with a light-skinned African American, and had stayed up all night with Ronald, talking over their differences, oversleeping and making Haleigh late for school Monday morning, my sources tell me.
“She didn’t want Ronald’s guns around; and had every reason to believe he’d kill her,” says a source.
Only she didn’t know he’d taken the guns out of the trailer, when she gave the all-clear to brother Tommy and cousin Joe Overstreet, who came over when Ronald was at work that night, with plans to steal the gun, sell it and split the proceeds with Misty. Had Ronald learned she was part of the conspiracy, sources tell me Misty believed she wouldn’t be long for this world.
Now she and brother Tommy are claiming she had someone else to fear, cousin Joe Overstreet, who both say went absolutely psycho after learning the gun was gone, and killed Haleigh in the trailer. That’s the new nugget his lawyer reveals on Jane Velez Mitchell and Nancy Grace Friday. .
He might appear small, and with no criminal record of violence, but Misty has claimed he molested her as a child, a story her mother also told me, and repeated so often, despite Overstreet’s denials, it’s become Satsuma swamp lore.
We have not reported it on this site until now because journalism ethics commonly dictate restraint in reporting names of underage sex abuse victims and details, but I now believe Misty’s claims may take on a new relevance as an alibi, or excuse, as to why she didn’t try to stop the murder of a little girl.
Not only has her family used the alleged molestation to explain why she was afraid of Joe, but other sources she’s confided in tell me Misty hid under the covers, clutching JR tight, and cowering as she heard Haleigh’s screams coming from the living room.
While he declined to confirm those details, her attorney Robert Fields tells The Bald Truth in an exclusive interview “Misty was afraid of Joe, and afraid of Ronald,” and has written a new two page letter from jail to a family member that reveals new details about what happened the night Haleigh vanished.
More about the letter later, but we have confirmed investigators have a copy, since all correspondence from or to the St. John’s County Jail are monitored.
To hear the story Croslin told his lawyer, Werter says on The Nancy Grace Show tonight that Tommy claims Joe killed Haleigh at the trailer after growing furious the gun he’d come to “borrow” was gone. “Things happened from there,” Werter said, adding that his client went to the trailer bedroom to find Overstreet in a rage and Haleigh dead.
While Misty says the killing happened in another room, those are considered “minor details” that sources tell me investigators will have to resolve if they expect a jury to believe known prevaricators Misty and Tommy were afraid of Joe, who appears on his My Space page pointing a gun, and has friends others tell me are gang members.
At the same time, Ronald Cummings could be the wild card, copping a plea to 15 years on his drug trafficking charges and agreeing to testify against his ex-wife and the ex brother in law who says Ronald called him from work to ask he drop by the trailer the night Haleigh vanished to check on Misty, who was not picking up her phone.
A trial date for Ronald Cummings remains scheduled for July 19.
May 14th, 2010 at 8:41 pm
Art–
I SAID IT! I SAID IT! I SAID IT! I felt all the while Flora Hollars (whom i adore)was NOT lying.We all knew when those tapes were released it would tell the tale,guess what? She WASN’T LYING.The sister-in-law Croslin in Boston said on N.G.via phone that Flora Hollars was untruthful.Guess what? She WAS NOT!!!!! I believe she owes Ms. Hollars a public apology. Art-you’re amazing as ALWAYS!Keep us informed,you & Nancy Grace I know WILL NOT let anyone 4-get about little Haleigh!
May 14th, 2010 at 9:03 pm
I do not think Joe did it. I have ALWAYS believed Ron is the key to everything. Ron KNOWS what happened to his daughter and I believe
He is most likely involved.
May 14th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
As usual, the latest news from LE…is just not adding up…so I am hoping they have a lot more evidence and that they are effectively “playing” the three addicts against eachother in jail now. Yeah…i really hope that’s it.
I do NOT believe Tommy or Misty with the “Joe did it” story. Too easy…if they were soooo fearful why be selling drugs all over town and laughing and acting like they had absolutely NO fear?? Not adding up!
And Ron…still he is involved…I am pretty sure of this.
THey announces he will be doing a plea deal AGAINST Misty and Tommy in court…July 19th…hmmm interesting…so I guess Misty and Tommy will now hear that…and maybe just maybe they will STOP covering for him too??
Maybe NOW Misty will tell the REAL truth if her beloved Ronald testifies against her in any way?
Also, if they really are lying like we all think they are AGAIN….may they go straight to hell. But that’s o.k. they should go straight to hell anyway…for NOT COMING FORWARD SOONER!! What the heck!?? I guess now they will use the “I was an addict” excuse….no EXCUSES.
May RONALD, Misty and TOmmy ROT IN HELL AND BE CONSTANTLY BEAT UP in GENERAL POPULATION!!! THat will should be their punishment!
NO freaking PLEA for ANY of them!!
Lynn
May 14th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
Thought I was reading a dime store romance there, Art;)
“That Sunday night, she’d just returned from a three day revenge romance with a light-skinned African American, and had stayed up all night with Ronald, talking over their differences, oversleeping and making Haleigh late for school Monday morning, my sources tell me.”
Best, Zoemonster
May 14th, 2010 at 9:11 pm
That 3 yr. old child, Junior, in no way remained asleep that night, esp. if there’s truth with Joe going bullistic and Hailey screaming.. You’re talking about a sibling witnessing something happening to his SISTER – no way you can shut up that child… What did Junior say about that night? That Misty held him tight and afraid??? Was Joe’s picture shown to him??
Tommy Croslin came over with his kids earlier right? And he & Misty smoked a joint? What were the kids doing while they’re smoking pot? Joe recalls Hailey and Junior doing??? And G.ma came by to deliver clean clothes, stating the children were eating outside? WHERE, on the steps of the trailer?? Why outside?
and not inside eating dinner?
Also, vehicles – what vehicle was used for Tommy and Joe to go over to Ronald’s? Thought Tommy’s wife said she went to class that night and Tommy babysat… So, did he come over with kids/smoke pot early in the evening? What did he do with his kids if he went back over there later on?
He was supposedly caring for his children.
I don’t buy this story. I wonder if Joe had attacked Misty, which is why there was a comment about Junior hearing the couch bouncing. Did Haleigh come out, witness the scene – and Joe reacted in a raging way, to shut her up?
Did Junior wake up crying and Misty ran in the room and got under the covers with him to prevent him from hearing/seeing anything further?
WHO GOES IN A RAGE RE A GUN not there when you want to go out looking for deer, etc. Hard to believe.
Joe Overstreet has to be paranoid. And covering his butt!
Also, did Misty tell her brother, and Joe about the sex/drug weekend, and Ronald’s rage re that… how on earth would Ronald allow her back, simply for a babysitter??? She could have transmitted diseases!
Junior! What did this 3-4 yr. old witness – hear/see? Did he tell of Haleigh crying or screaming???
Was the 5 ft. piece of yellow rope used to put animals in the water and watch the alligators? What is the actual size of the cinder block found in the water?
Is it really possible to take a cinder block (heavy) and a 40 lb. child and throw in water? Just don’t buy the story! Anyone else agree?
May 14th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
If Overstreet had molested Misty years before, it is very hard for me to believe that Chelsea Croslin would allow him to stay over in her home and be anywhere near her children. Misty has played that molestation card a lot; didn’t she also use it against Tommy??? I’m not saying its not true, but it seems to be a common theme in this whole sordid tragedy.
May 14th, 2010 at 9:53 pm
if Haleigh was killed in the trailer and her body was transported by a vehicle why would not LE have found evidence???? maybe I watch too much csi but seems to me they should have found some evidence left behind.Rape and murder and nothing left behind. Interesting.
May 14th, 2010 at 10:14 pm
Art, Saw you on Nancy Grace, Great job as always!
One of the other guest said at Tommy’s home rope was found with 5′ missing from the 15′ roll and the women on the show said 5′ of rope was found in the river is this true?
Thats the first time I ever heard that…I had heard about the blocks…
I sure didn’i knowed that, did you knowed it? Just kidding I think that word should be added to the next addition of The Webster Dictionary…How Funny
May 14th, 2010 at 10:55 pm
Another great show, Art…You looked mavvvalus
If Ronald is going to implicate Misty, she’d best get on the ball and tell the whole truth..She, and Ronald hold the key to what happened, and it appears Ron is only out for saving his behind..Love is blind, or so it’s been said, but I can’t see her keeping quiet, and facing life behind bars for something she didn’t do…if she didn’t..If Ron rats on Misty, it will be the true test of her involvement, if she says nothing.. Somehow, I don’t think he will..He will continue to blame Joe, but Joe is not a person of interest..He would be locked up if LE had anything on him..It should get very interesting in the coming weeks..
IMO
May 14th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
Alrighty then. Guess this is a backwoods, jailbird version of the game “operator”.
Misty: I told you, I was home sleeping.
Tommy: Well I went by the trailer at 10pm, and no one was there.
Misty: Ummm…Tommy said he came by the trailer and no one was here? I’m telling you, I was here sleeping.
Tommy: Misty said she was there? Okay, I lied about going by the house. I was just trying to cut a deal with the cops for info. Silly me, eh?
Misty: Okay, here’s the real deal…Joe came to steal Rons gun.
Tommy: Okay, here’s the truth…Joe came to borrow Ron’s gun to do some deer hunting.
Misty: Wait, Tommy said what? Ummm…yeah…I meant to say the deer hunting thing.
Tommy: Wait, Misty said what? Okay the really truly true TRUTH is that JO was gonna steal the gun and split the money with me and Misty.
Etc. etc. BS!
May 14th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
Answers always raise more questions in this case don’t they? Timline seems to be key here. If Tommy was with Joe going to “borrow” the gun, what time was that and how does it correlate to the time Ron called Tommy to check on Misty? Was Tommy with Joe when Ron called? Did they have the van at that point? Has it been proven that Ron did call Tommy that night? Is “borrow” a nicer word for steal since the owner was unaware his gun was about to be borrowed?( or was he unaware, the gun wasn’t there) No time for Tommy to sugarcoat it, if he didn’t kill Haleigh he should just tell it all.I never thought Tommy would hurt Haleigh, just a matter of what happened and his role if Joe did do it. I believe it to an extent but a lot has still been left out. Doesn’t make sense to go try to borrow a gun for hunting and go nuts and kill a child because the gun wasn’t there. I think there was a stronger motive than that.
May 14th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
Yes, I think she was killed at the trailer…before Ron left for work..All of the other scenarios/accusations of Misty and Tommy are just to throw off the investigators… IMO
May 14th, 2010 at 11:57 pm
WHATEVER MISTY HE KILLED HALEIGH OVER A GUN WHY NOT KILL MISTY LET RON HAVE ALL 3 TO BE SURE.
May 14th, 2010 at 11:57 pm
Well I say if that’s Tommy’s story, and he’s sticking to it, then give him another lie dector test. He has a “story toll” almost as high as Misty’s now. Who do you believe? Joe looks like nothing but a punk, and proves that with his myspace page ! SO as I said, Give Tommy another lie detector test over his “new information”
May 15th, 2010 at 12:23 am
Val–
Will ask Sheryl about that, first time i heard it, too…and will ch eck. You’ve read here first that Tommy claimed rope was missing from his van after Joe allegedly drove it, and that Lindsay let cops search their house and left with yellow rope matching the color of the rope Misty told Granny that Joe purportedly used to tie Haleigh to cinder blocks…
rope is also seen hanging on the trailer door…I have photos if you think it would be useful to post them…? Tx Art
May 15th, 2010 at 12:31 am
Elizabeth:
I tend to agree, Flora rocks. Art
May 15th, 2010 at 12:46 am
Good work Art. Nice to see you again on tv, we can always expect it to be interesting and informative when you are on. Just wanted to say thanks for all you do, your the best!
May 15th, 2010 at 12:52 am
Has Ron taken a polygraph? Did he pass it? They better get JO before his runs ans leaves the country.
May 15th, 2010 at 12:59 am
I beleive that Ronald knows who is responsible. The very first 911 call, the day that the child is missing, when the operator is talking to Ronald, you cannot understand anything he is saying. Then when Misty is on the phone a second later with the operator, you can hear Ronald clearly in the background saying “how did you let them take my daughter”.
May 15th, 2010 at 1:01 am
I disagree, Flora does not rock.
Go back and read the transcripts of the shows she was on on her “media tour” then compare what she said Tommy told her on the jail house phone call just released to the actual words Tommy said in the jail house phone call- some things do not match. For example she said she asked Tommy if he failed his lie detector test and he told her yes, hmmmm, didn’t hear that on the phone call and I did listen to the 15 minute unredacted version and it wasn’t there either. Tommy tells her not to tell anyone in Nashville Joe is the culprit, I guess I can give her credit for keeping her word on that one, she didn’t tell anyone in Nashville, she told everyone on the NATIONAL NG and JVM shows, local news media in Tennessee Joe could have seen it on, etc. She must really care about her great-grandchildren’s safety-NOT-if she did she wouldn’t have blabbed to the whole nation!
I don’t believe the whole Joe did it story anyway, it is a big steaming pile of bs!
Did anyone catch where Tommy asked Granny if she had spoke to Misty that day and she said she should be calling soon and Tommy tells her to make sure to tell Misty the story? They are using Granny as a mouthpiece so they can keep their stories, errr, I mean lies straight and so Misty knows which story to repeat. And Flora fell for it hook, line and sinker-she is sunk! Tommy, Misty and Ron are all involved in Haleigh’s disappearance and they are all too selfish to tell the truth and stand up for her! Makes me sick!
Flora is a liar!!
May 15th, 2010 at 1:06 am
Flora also calls an African American man the N word on the unredacted call and uses the F word profusely.
Very disrespectful in my opinion, I’d like to see her say that to his face!
May 15th, 2010 at 1:12 am
” Tommy claimed rope was missing from his van after Joe allegedly drove it ”
Let’s see…who’s van is it? Who’s rope is it? Who’s home was similar rope found in? Who was it, that by his own admission, placed himself at the scene of the crime at 10:00 that evening, and then said he lied? Let me guess…it was all Joe, right? Riiiiight.
May 15th, 2010 at 1:40 am
Art, This is so troubling! I am concerned that these people will get off scott-free in a trial- because all testimony will cancel each other out with the conflicting stories! And can they charge anyone with lying, stalling, covering up, etc.! Are the police still looking for Hailey’s body? All those buck-toothed billygoats involved know that somebody would be going down for sure if there were a body. So they’ll NEVER tell.
May 15th, 2010 at 1:49 am
Awesome reporting! Flora is the only one who DOESN’T have a reason to lie! The “new” Tommy story is just as fishy as all the rest!
May 15th, 2010 at 1:51 am
Somehow a lot of the new revelations seem plausible. Joe ties into all of this, for sure.
The question I have and I don’t see it answered, if Joe killed Haleigh per Tommy’s story, HOW did he kill Haleigh? Why didn’t someone ask that of Tommy’s lawyer, Werter?
Thanks again Art!
May 15th, 2010 at 2:01 am
I too found it interesting to hear about the rope. That is solid physical evidence, something this case has lacked in all along. Question is, the main roll was at Tommy’s house, the exact length found at river was the same as what was cut from the rope at Tommy’s. Interesting! So, Tommy led them to the river where he knew there was a good chance they would find it, probably wrapped around a cinder block. Is he saying it was in the van?? Had to be, he’s said it before!That places that van there 100%. That places Joe there 99.9%. If Tommy was guilty of killing Haleigh why would he take them to the river, and why would he save the roll of rope all this time? Starting to believe Tommy more after hearing that! Not all has come out, but they are on the way to solving this Art! Thank you Art,thank you Nancy, thank you Flora, and thank you LE!! Getting closer, i can feel it.
May 15th, 2010 at 2:02 am
Did Tommy mean it was BS when Granny said that Ron called him to come help or that that Haleigh found pills Ronald left laying around and HaLeigh over dosed on them? Tommy was implicated coming over to check on Misty from Ronald after he couldn’t reach Misty that night. I believe he is still lying to cover up for Ronald. I don’t buy the gun theory either. I am sure Ronald has connections on the outside to cause harm to the Croslin family. The beheaded rat in the mailbox was a threat and it scared Tommy, Joe and Misty and the rest of them. Also Ronalds grandmother and mother are scared of him and lied about her stopping by and Misty verifying it to keep Ronald from harming them.Did anyone see the grandmother bring the laundry over? I’m sure Joe was there with Tommy to help Misty because Ronald told them to get rid of HaLeigh’s body before he came home that morning. I think Ronald scripted everything that happened that night. Telling Misty to not answer her phone and act like she was in a dead sleep and didn’t hear anything then call 911 when he came home so she didn’t mess up what he told her to say verbatim.Why else would Misty wait to call 911 after noticing his daughter missing? Ronald stopping at the store to get beer,cigarettes and snacks for an alibi. Who in their right mind would stop if you aren’t able to reach the only person with your children after calling so many times? I know would have left work if I couldn’t reach anyone at my home. Speeding through red lights or going through stop signs! Seeing his fake tears for his daughter knowing that he killed her in a fit of rage!
May 15th, 2010 at 2:10 am
Yes Art, you did report on the rope here first, you are fantastic! This is so important, i hope Cheryl was correct or didn’t say something she wasn’t suppose to but this is huge!! I think it’s time LE get their hands on Joe’s gun collection, did anyone know if Joe brought a gun with him to Florida? Could actually be what he threatened Misty and Tommy with, Tommy said he tried to kill them. If so, could be a murder weapon if he hit Haleigh with it.Could be the gun on his myspace picture you showed here. At this point i’d grab everything that is potential evidence. Don’t have to post this if u don’t want to, i’m so excited about this, and you my dear were way ahead of everyone when you broke the news about the rope found at Tommy’s house! Great job as usual.
May 15th, 2010 at 2:29 am
Thankyou, Mr. Art.. Again for all the GREAT updates…Thankyou, Ms.Flora.. for stepping up and being strong during this mayhem..I think you looked very pretty with your makeup on, when you were on tv…. I can’t help it..I dont believe Tommy…He is such a lair….Joe is a player..but Misty and Tommy are just as guilty,if not more…On the phone tapes while Tommy is talking to Ms. Flora ..why was he laughing? The way these people act is just not right….15 years is not enough…..
May 15th, 2010 at 2:51 am
Hi art. Although I have never left a comment. .I have been following this case with all it’s bizarre twists and turns on your site and on the Nancy Grace show. First of all may God bless little Haleigh and all those who loved her that were not involved in this scandalous case. However, God forgive me for passing judgement should I be wrong, but it seems to me that from TCs latest video. Calls that Joe could be a code word for Ron. Ron Cummings has acted so strange from the first 911 call onward to coaching misty on initial TV interviews to marrying her to not accepting money to find haleigh to sticking by her after all the failed lie tests to selling drugs with her. His actions simply don’t add up. Furthermore, TC on the call….A. knows he’s being recorded B. Demand his lawyer C. Suggests ‘he’ has to pay and that he’s scared. D. suggests he just doesn’t want no one to hurt his family especially his kids E. Suggests ‘he’ can’t hurt no one anymore. From this TC knows cousin Joe is not in jail. In addition. ..if he. Is concerned about his family and kids…Joe could still hurt them. Ron however can not because he is locked up. On top of that…cousin Joe still has not been arrested. Thus all the weird and crazy actions lead me to think that ron is the culprit. Further I think TC and misty are actually afraid of ron and now that he too. .is in prison…they feel they can now come clean about that night. It is also important to note..that they are all (misty TC and cousin Joe) r some how involved whether they were there or.they helped ‘clean’ up which explains why they keep changing stories out of their own fear of implication as accessory or whatever. Further…if LE didnt think RC had nothing to do with his daughter’s disappearance. …why is his bond on drug charges so high…900,000$?? Heck…..Jeff Hardy’s son was busted for. Operating a Meth lab and distributing and maintaing a drug vehicle…but his bond was no where near a million dollars!!!! All together…its just my opinion that ron has way more to do with this than NG or other media. Outlets have
suggested. After all who wants to believe a seemingly doting father would accidentally or purposely kill his baby daughter. That’s just my opinion….sorry to be lengthy.
May 15th, 2010 at 3:13 am
I just thought of something really fUNNY in Tommy’s story about deer hunting….Well.. I don’t believe you use assualt weapons to kill a deer..I dont believe it’s legal to drive around after smoking pot with a gun, without a permit..I do not think you can hunt at night..It’s really agaisnt the law to hunt out of a Van using headlights…If that’s how Tommy hunts..What planet does he live on? And if they did get the gun..where they going hunting that night,since joe was leaving the next day? yeah right….
May 15th, 2010 at 3:46 am
ron is involved, he may have been calling home so othen because he put misty and tommy up to disposing of haleigh’s body. Ron and Misty put the dead rat in Tommy’s mailbox sending him a message, “do not rat”. Ron was most likely concerned about if the two had gotten the job done, that is why he called all night. If he was so worried, why did he stop for a drink after work, most likely to calm himself and to plot his response when he did make it home for the 911 call.
May 15th, 2010 at 4:03 am
Hi Everyone,
Isn’t it just amazing…how long these three addicts sit in jail…no plea, no nothing? That is just unbelievable. The bond they have with their lies and secrets runs pretty deep. Makes one wonder what ELSE have the 3 done that each them know about??
In my opinion, the REAL TRUTH…all the truth and nothing BUT THE TRUTH…STILL has NOT been revealed!
What does it take? Does it take a 25+ sentence…told to them by the judge’s own voice for them to start talking.
So far they just don’t get it…they are NOT getting out…now way no how…So have fun in PRISON with all the PRISONERS who just happen to despise child killers and rapists! Good luck with that life.
Lynn
P.S….GOSH…everyone please just pray this ends soon! BUT only with the REAL truth for the person and people involved to PAY the TIME…LIFETIME in PRISON!! Death penalty HOPE!!
May 15th, 2010 at 4:08 am
The gun theory doesn’t work IMO. If Joe had already made plans to leave Fla. on Feb.10th….
Why would he be at Ron’s to “borrow” a gun to go hunting the night before?
May 15th, 2010 at 4:26 am
Art-Don’t you see this as a bit too much information disclosure by a defense attorney? What I am wondering if Tommy and Misty’s revelation to LE is different as to what was recorded and what is put out for the media. Perhaps there is some truth in the recordings, but they all know that they are recorded conversations, as well as any information letters, etc., are pre-read by the department, and it will become public information.
I feel that LE is keeping Misty and Tommy’s confessions tight lipped so that LE can charge the right person for the murder of Haleigh. I beleive that when or if charges are brought that those who ruled out Ronald are going to be in for a rude awakening.
Thank you Art for all your great updates and work!
May 15th, 2010 at 4:27 am
I am glad they found the real killer And it was not Misty I knew Misty is not the one that did it. So Misty is only guity of the drug charges. I am glad the truth came out!
I just hope Joe can tell where the body is at?
May 15th, 2010 at 6:48 am
I always thought it was JOE and Misty.
May 15th, 2010 at 6:56 am
This latest story does not ring true.. Misty has been in jail for quite some time. She has proven to be selfish by throwing Tommy to the wolves about his involvement in a B&E prior to the drug arrest. So, if this is the story?? why did she not tell it when she was incarcerated for drugs? Cousin Joe could not have harmed her in jail…nor Ron..nor Tommy….so what was there to fear any longer? She would have used the molestation and thrown Joe and Tommy to the gators long ago…. I believe Misty gave Jr something to make him sleep so he would have no knowledge of the crime…I am not convinced that killing Haleigh was not a revenge thing for Misty….brother Tommy would have helped her get rid of Haleigh….she probably put her in that dumpster and called Tommy to help her get rid of the body….cousin Joe just happened to be in town at the same time..
May 15th, 2010 at 7:52 am
Art, Did cousin Joe take a lie detector test?
May 15th, 2010 at 7:53 am
As for conflicts in his story, Tommy now claims Joe was there not to steal Ronald’s prized assault rifle, but to borrow it to go deer hunting at night, and when it wasn’t there, went wild and killed Haleigh…
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yea, cause that happens all the time. Everyone knows not to interfere with a Redneck needin to Spotlight deer or your they kill your Kid. (one of them..only…. unless you don’t have any beer to borrow either)
May 15th, 2010 at 8:54 am
I agree, seems a bit off to go crazy just because a gun is not there for you to use or have, then kill a child because of it. There is more to this and time will tell the tale. Unfortunately it’s a very, very sad tale. IMO, with Misty and Tommy smoking a joint earlier in the evening my thought is… what if Tommy told Joe about the drugs that Ron had at the trailer or maybe Joe brought drugs with him from Tennesse and wanted to get high/stoned with his cousins and Haleigh came out to see who was there… most five year olds are inquisitive and like to see people…. so what if they had the drugs out and to be smart one of them gave a pill to Haleigh or Haleigh took a pill thinking it was candy and she had a reaction to it and died. JR said he heard the couch bouncing…. maybe it’s possible that Joe, Misty and Tommy were all high and decided to have sex all together… or one of them forced Misty to have sex with them…. and Haleigh came out to see what was going on and either got hit, fell and hit her head and died or was given something to shut her up and she died. One thing that stands out to me though… Misty says at one time she was starting wash at 10:00…but as we have found out there was no laundry soap… then another time she says she was sleeping at that time. If I’m not mistaken LE said when they arrived around 3:30am the washer was running. Sorry this is so long just had a lot on my mind.
May 15th, 2010 at 10:55 am
I do not believe that cousin Joe harmed Haleigh. Misty claims that she kept quiet all this time because she was threatened by cousin Joe. Well if that’s the case when Haleigh first went missing Misty blamed cousin Joe for taking her. If she was so afraid of cousin Joe she would of never have mentioned him back then she would of kept quiet. Also on the phone call Tommy made to grandma Flora he says that they can’t get to any of them now. That leaves me to believe that it is Ron cause he’s behind bars. Joe is still free, why can’t he get to them?
May 15th, 2010 at 11:01 am
I think LE is slowly getting close to the truth, but they are not quite 100% there yet. The three may have been doing something else they shouldn’t have and are very loathe to admit – hence the remaining discrepancies. If Haleigh saw them and made noise about it, possibly Joe got enraged and put a pillow over her face to shut her up. LE will keep dogging away and will get there, I’m sure. What a sad, sad case.
May 15th, 2010 at 11:52 am
They are each declaring “it wasn’t me defense”. Simply stated, both Tommy and Misty were involved and are trying to downplay their respective role in this by pretending they were “fearful” of Cousin Joe.
So the scenario is supposedly that Joe and Tommy came to the trailer with the intent to steal a gun from Ron, couldn’t find it, and that Joe then went into the bedroom, killed Haleigh for spite while these two morons looked on out of “fear” then shut up for the next 14 months while Cousin Joe went back to Tennessee.
Or how about, according to Granny Flo, her own grandson “raped” Haleigh, possibly with assistance from her other grandson Tommy, while Misty had no other choice but to hide under the covers holding Junior out of “fear”.
Or if that one doesn’t impress, then Tommy, because he has kids of his own, left the trailer as Joe did his “dirty work” leaving Misty to cope with the consequences all on her own with a knife pressed to her neck and remained silent out of “fear”.
Tommy is afraid that his wife is divorcing him so he makes himself look “vulnerable” out of this “fear” from a cousin who had left the state shortly thereafter. Which does not explain how the scene was then made to look like a kidnapping. Who did that? Joe, all on his own, since Tommy left (or was held captive by a knife) and Misty cowered under the blankets (or was held captive by a knife). Take your pick.
Granny is a piece of work, willing to believe the worst of one grandson and even going so far to “invent” a scenario of her own to titillate the story even more. I still believe that Misty killed the child and, with the assistance of Tommy – and possibly Cousin Joe – concocted the story of an abduction as they set up the trailer to make it appear as such.
Joe may or may not be involved, but at this juncture both Tommy and Misty are looking to minimize their actions.
May 15th, 2010 at 11:53 am
Never heard Tommy name Joe… he only agreed when Flo started running her mouth. Perhaps he did that cause he knows she is a blabber mouth! In Flo’s version HaLeigh OD’d… if so why would Tommy say that “he” can’t get a way with it? It would be an accident. None of the stories jive.
May 15th, 2010 at 11:59 am
I am not convinced that Tommy said anything on that tape. It sounded to me as Ms. Hollars did all the talking and Tommy just agreed.I think that Ms. Hollars was just bringing Tommy up to speed on Misty’s newest version of the truth.
May 15th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
What else can you expect from Misty with her 6th grade education? Has anyone else noticed her parents coddle her and seem to be afraid of her? Makes me wonder what she has on them. I think all parties here are guilty but will be extremely hard to prove with their mantra of lieing about everything. At least they will go to prison for drug dealing and then let the chips fall where they may. Love you Art, and commend you for putting up with Nancy’s diva drama. Am getting very sick of her. Jane is much better.
May 15th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
Art,
This was an interesting statement and supports Misty’s fear of Ron,“She didn’t want Ronald’s guns around; and had every reason to believe he’d kill her,” says a source.” Also, Ron’s showing of remorse over Haliegh’s disappearance or death could have been real, without meaning he had no knowledge or involvement (not mutually exclusive). I certainly don’t want to pin guilt on anyone until proven, but that sure makes me think. Your readers, by the way, are brilliant and really have excellent theories. Another reason I visit this site.
Jennifer
May 15th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
IMO – two big problems with this story 1. JR would have for sure heard this and as young as he is he would of reported Haliegh screaming and hiding under the covers with Misty 2. Misty fingering Joe from the very begining. If she was soooooo afraid of him should would not have done this.
May 15th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
To Art Harris,
Why is it important for you to report the description “light-skinned African American”? What if he were a “dark-skinned African-American”? WHAT IS YOUR POINT IN DIFFERENTIATING HOW DARK HIS SKIN TONE IS OR ISN’T????? Would you make the same distinction if he were a darker shade of white (i.e. tanned)?
I think not. What was your point?
May 15th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
ART- Misty was involved with the guy who mysteriously disappeared after Haleigh’s disappearance. She though he liked her for her, but he actually wanted access to Haleigh.He’s the guy with the verifiable sex crime conviction. He had been there that night “bouncing on the couch” with Mindy. Previously he’d gotten access to the house key and had a copy made. He came back later took Haleigh and hopped the train with her. They need to find out which train came by around that time and check it out for Haleigh’s scent. The dogs also need to get a sample of his scent and check inside the mh and will find a match. That’s why her scent stopped there. He’s dead now as well. Tommy and Misty are making everything up and blaming it on Jo. And no, I’m not on Jo’s side or anyone else’s but Haleigh’s.
May 15th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
Art, great reporting as always. I don’t buy that all of these people are that afraid of Joe. This deal with Ron makes no sense either. They have the drug deals on tape. I think this is just another way to put the heat on the players. I think Ron is involved in this all the way. He thinks he is playing LE, but I think LE is really playing him. He is just to arrogant to see it. What is NG going to say when boy wonder is brought down.
May 15th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
This is ridiculous>>>I dont believe for One MINUITE..that misty and tommy have been so SCARED of JOE who lives all the way in TENNESSEE..the stories both are telling do not make any sense at all. if Joe did it, Misty could of called police and they would have found haleigh, joe, and joe would of been arrested and not have been able to hurt anyone. Joe did not have a weapon that night, corect,, and you dont think Misty and Tommy both could not have stopped him?? Or even tried..they would allow a child to get raped, nurdered, because they were so SCARED OF HIM?? They would of fought for their lifes, to PROTECT THAT CHILD, why couldnt one of them picked up the phone and called police??
May 15th, 2010 at 1:19 pm
Art..Through this Ron has denied Joe stole his gun or if there was a fight. In a way Ron has protected Joe against involvement. Ron even said on TV when TN said about a gun and fight that was not true. He corrected TN during TV interview.
May 15th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
MH on Magnolia is the place I think the child was taken to. The MH LC and HC Sr. lived in rented from the Overstreet Family. They got evicted soon after and moved in with Tommy and Linsy. LC and HC Sr. where in the hospital that day and the day before. MH was empty. JO was living with them at this time of the car accident. When did JO move in with Timmy and Chelsea?
May 15th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
Or they removed an accidentally near dead child from Rons MH to the MH on Magnolia. where the child was raped beaten and thrown to the gators.
One statement has always stuck with me…when Misty says Haliegh was doing wheelies on her bike and WAS OK THEN. As opposed to when she got ill? This is when AC guy was there.
May 15th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Now, for once, I think that if Joe was a legitimate member of a gang, I could understand Misty and Tommy’s reluctance to come forward. Even if Joe is arrested, the other gangbangers might still try to exact revenge on Tommy’s, Misty’s and Ronald’s family. Who knows where he stands in importance to these people? Maybe this explains why Ronald might feel his hands are tied, as far as adding more fuel to the fire by killing a gang member. Sounds logical.
It also sounds plausible that Misty could be afraid of Ronald’s temper and his guns, especially since he had roughed her up before. She might have (how ironic) even wanted the guns out of the house for the “children’s safety.” Yep, definitely don’t think Misty killed Haleigh.
Then again, it might all be bullspit, cobbled together over many, many months of contact between the 4 main characters in this case. KC could be right.
May 15th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
I think Haleigh was killed/died at the trailer for sure. I am not 100% convinced that Cousin Joe did it. I do believe Tommy and Misty both could still be lying and just blaming him for it. I do think Misty knows for sure what caused Haleigh’s death and is protecting herself or Ronald. Tommy, is trying anything he can to save his marriage to Lindsey and his butt from a long jail term. Let’s hope he wises up and tells the truth. Unless this Cousin is a real nutcase, I don’t believe he would just kill a little sleeping girl over a gun that he wanted to use or steal to go hunting deer or to sell and split profits with his minor cousin who he supposedly molested. If he molested her, then why would Hank Sr. and Lisa just let that all pass because it was their nephew? makes no sense. Why would others in the family allow him to be around their children or even allow him around Misty? why haven’t police arrested him before now if that was the case? I do think Joe knows as well as Ron what happened that night, and I think Joe ought to tell what he knows. Maybe he showed up at Misty’s with Tommy and Haleigh was already dead. Grandma Hollers says he wasn’t the same since his visit there. I do think he is involved, but not the killer. Should be interesting, with all the back stabbing and blaming, truth should be forthcoming, not to mention all the drug busts/arrests going on in Putnam including White Boy Greg Page. Is it possible that maybe Ronald is a little more disappointed with Misty than what was recently reported and mad at her for saying anything?
May 15th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
hey mary, if Grandma came by and saw Haleigh alive after Ron had left for work, how do you think Ron killed her??? I guess you think grandma is lying???? I hope they polygraph Tommy again. Matter of fact if Tommy is telling the truth he should step up and request one, also if Joe is innocent he also should demand a polygraph.That is the only way they are going to be believed after all this lying….polygraph them and weed out the lairs.If I were being accused of a crime as serious as this I would beg for a polygraph and I believe anyone innocent would also.
May 15th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
I have always believed that Flora was being honest. She is just repeating what all she has heard. Through all of Floras recounts of what she has heard Misty is at the center of each story. I just do not believe this story. Tommy says he walked into the bedroom and Joe was in a rage and Haleigh was deceased. Joe could of went into look for the gun and found Haleigh was already deceased. Perhaps it was not rage Joe was expressing. It was pure panic. I still believe Haleigh passed due to being givin meds and she OD. Ron has not acted as the grieving father, except in the first week of Haleigh being gone. I really believe he knows what happened to his daughter. I believe it was Misty that gave Haleigh the meds that night and this is something I feel Ron and Misty have done on more than one occassion.
Werter needs to examine his facts! Misty pointed to Tommy in the voice layered analysis. Misty said if Tommy was involved so was Joe in that video. I truely believe if this had been the actual story Misty could have freed herself from the fear of Joe Overstreet before he got the chance to leave town on the 10th of February. Only Ronald Cummings was left too close for everyone to fear.
Tommy says he is crazy! He threatened to kill all of us!! This describes Ron as well as Joe.
LE I pray God gives you all the evidence you need to bring all that was involved in Haleighs demise and cover- up to Justice!! God Bless you Art and everyone that takes the time to help aide in the JUSTICE for our baby girl HALEIGH ANNE MARIE CUMMINGS. May she have not died in vain.
May 15th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
Maybe these people are not as stupid as everyone thinks they are. Without any solid evidence, it’s everybody’s word against everybody else’s. And since we know they’re all liars, we may never know what really happened; therefore, no one will ever be convicted.
May 15th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
art, I can hardly wait for the taped conversation with Misty and Mrs. Hollars to be brought out like Tommy’s was. I have always heard that truth is stranger than fiction and these people have proved it. You do a great job.
May 15th, 2010 at 5:04 pm
Tommy is changing the wording from “stealing the gun to borrow the gun” The reason he is doing that is because it is not illegal to borrow a gun but it’s illegal to steal a gun. Should someone die during the time a crime takes place even the one who did not carry out the murder can still be charged with the murder. Tommy is manipulating and doing what is best for him. He did it when the cops had him in at the 7 month mark. He did it with no regard to his family,children, the other families, no one but himself. I’m beginning to think this guy is a phycopath his behaviours are like one. What needs to be determined is whether or not Misty played a part in the murder or was over powered. If she was over powered then there is nothing she could do about that. From there it needs to be determined why she kept silent and that requires a whole lot more insight than any of us have. If she played a part in the murder then she needs to serve the sentence the law of land states she must serve. As for Joe unless they have evidence against him they don’t have him. Tommy is not afraid of Joe that is nonsense. As for the molestation it is imparitive to understand the molestation is about the molestor and the crime not the victim. If this man did molest Misty it’s not as though he only did it that time and only to her and that is where it will end. It’s about the crime, the illness and the fact he will do it again if in fact he did it in the first place. With that said no matter who was his victim it is very important to address it and stop him. This group needs to give the families peace and closure. They need to tell the truth and face the consequences.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
May 15th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
I mean, I’m glad she’s being truthful, and Art I love you, but come on…!
May 15th, 2010 at 5:44 pm
These people are blaming Joe because they are to afraid to blame the real culprit. What a bogus story! If Joe had killed Haleigh, Ronald would have killed him by now. Why hasn’t he? He had 11 months to do so, the same amount of time the jailbirds had to concoct their stories while they roamed free. If their stories match at all, just look at all the time they had to mesh them before the drug bust.
None of them care for that baby, they only care about themselves and their drugs.
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Thanks for writing, Myrtle! art
May 15th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
I have said it once and I will say it again- For anyone to judge Ronald Cummings at this point is A)Not a Parent or B)A sad human being. DO NOT JUDGE AND SPEAK OUT AGAINST SOMEONE WHO HAS LOST THEIR CHILD, until you KNOW for absolute fact otherwise. How dare you. Look at what facts are available for crying out loud!!
May 15th, 2010 at 6:22 pm
Art-
Thank you for staying a true journalist and keeping this story alive so that one day there will be justice.
Also- where is the Joe Overstreet polygraph?
Thanks!!
May 15th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Art I’ve noticed that you stick to reporting the facts, which is what a journalist is meant to do, but I’m curious about what your take on things may be. Do you believe that Cousin Joe is so dangerous that he was able to scare Misty, who may be young but is certainly not naive, and big bro Tommy into covering for him for the last 15 months? To me, it’s ludicrous. IF!!!! Joe had killed Haleigh and they witnessed it and reported it, he would have been arrested immediately. How could he have harmed any of the Croslins from prison? They are covering something up and have been since that fateful night when Haleigh “disappeared”.
Think about it. That motor home was small. Where was the strapping 6 foot tall Tommy when Joe was in the bedroom murdering Haleigh? Oh wait, Misty was in the bedroom under the covers with Junior while Joe was murdering Haleigh in the living room. Where was Tommy again?
Joe is 2 years older then Misty. If Misty was 12 and Joe was 14, how could it be considered as sexual abuse if they were both minors at the time. I think 17 is the cut off age in Florida? It wouldn’t even be statutory rape like it was with Ron before he married her. If Joe forced himself on her it would be rape and that’s a different story.
I am so looking forward to arrests being made in this sad case. I just hope that they get the right perp because I don’t believe either Misty or Tommy’s stories.
May 15th, 2010 at 7:32 pm
The only thing Flora knows is what Misty and Tommy told her and we know how much stock we can put in that. I wonder why they called Flora and not Hank Sr. or Lisa. Flora lives closer to Joe and she doesn’t seem to be afraid of him. None of this makes a bit of sense. Joe may have been involved, but so was the rest of this bunch, I still believe Ron played some part in this. I still wonder why Ron had a banage on the back of his neck when Haliegh went missing.I never heard that mention. If you know Art tell me please. Thank you for this site, not a day goes by that I don’t check it. PAT
May 15th, 2010 at 8:31 pm
The timing of TC attorney releasing the tapes is suspect.
TC’s has attorney lies to us, like he did about Flora Hollars saying Tommy didn’t tell her anything. Now he comes out detailing the conversation like some kind of transparent good citizen.
No. He sat on that tape for a month or more and let people call Ms. Hollars a liar knowing full well what Tommy told her and that she told the truth.
The release of the tapes overshadowed RC’s plea deal in which he is going to testify against Misty and Tommy and that’s why he released them the same day Ron’s plea deal was in the news.
Tommy was present and most likely was VERY involved, at the very least he staged the scene if not more. By all counts he hated Ronald and doesn’t seem to express sorrow for Haleigh. Even on the tapes LC will snap at him and say what if it was our child and then he will offer some small words like “yea, I’d be upset” but no real empathy. If Tommy went with Jo to the river and Haleigh wasn’t dead when she ‘hit the water’ then he murdered her.
Reasonable doubt. Now matter how this case goes down there have been so many stories told by all the parties (except JO) that I’m not sure they could get a conviction, unless somehow evidence makes things clear. Perhaps Misty will get angry that Ronald is selling her out (on the drugs) that she will break down and stop covering for him.
AS I think on this, I’ve come up with a scenario that makes all the pieces fit, I think…..
I think Ronald owed drug money to the Tennessee group (not just Jo but to the more dangerous others) and Misty took off not wanting to be around for the confrontation knowing these people were in town.
Then Ronald offerred the gun as payment but did a double cross and got rid of it so they couldn’t come collect. Misty came home becasue she was under the impression Ronald was going to pay the debt with the gun and everything was cool. Once she realized he wasn’t turning the gun over she tried to get out of babysitting because she knew they could be coming to ‘collect’.
It’s possible Ronald felt safe with Misty there because the drug money collectors were her relatives but it didn’t go that way. Misty called Ronald when they showed up to collect and you have MANY frantic calls because JO (others?) wanted the gun. I think this happened before the children went to bed. Junior and Misty most likely did hide in the bedroom and on the phone with Ronald while this happened.
I think Ronald sent TC over to try to calm JO out and Timmy C may have already been at the trailer with JO(interesting his wife calls Grandma a liar and Timmy has nothing to say). Instead, Haleigh was gone and TC/TC helped cover it up.
I’m not sure Misty knew she was dead and she was calling around hoping to find JO before Ronald got home. I think she saw them tie her before they left. I also think she was warning family that Ronald was on his way in case he went ballistic.
I think RC underestimated the threat of double crossing a drug debt and knew the consequences. He knew why Haleigh was gone and the headless rat was a warning that TC better not tell about Ron’s debt and cover up of his daughter’s disappearence.
Misty and the others staged the house before Ronald got home and that’s why you hear him going room to room on the 911 tape. The hang ups were to have discussions about what would happen next.
He also knew Misty and Tommy could ‘rat’ him out for his part and the coverup. There are multiple fear factor–Ron with guns, BIG time drug dealers…..
Marrying Misty served several purposes, underage sex, she couldn’t rat on him for him involvment, and he knew it was his fault and she couldn’t have stopped what happened. She was in shock, with fingers pointing and trying to say what RC wanted her to say. MC knows, TN knows, RC knows, TC knows. And Timmy got the hell out of Dodge. They all know.
So when the question comes up “what do they have on each other?” Answer—all this and more.
IMO
May 15th, 2010 at 8:33 pm
My theory…Misty said Haleigh wet the bed…(big bed or little bed????). Were they all 3 in the big bed? (It seems that story changed) If so, all 3 of them could have had wet clothes as well as wet sheets & covers. Misty said she had to wash the blanket…..(only the blanket?)She said Haleigh was wearing a pink shirt & the pink shirt was found near the washer. Who changed Haleigh’s wet clothes? Haleigh or Misty? This could have made her hopping mad, especially since she was so tired from her loooong busy weekend & didn’t want to baby sit that night anyway. She could have struck Haleigh & hurt or killed her. And, WHO would she call for help?….Her brother, Tommy. (Phone records should show whether she called him or not & at what time.)
Also, I did not hear Tommy tell Granma Hollars that Joe did it. She asked him if it was Joe & he said “Yes”.
Misty, trying to save her own selfish hide pointed to Tommy AND Joe……anybody but her.
May 15th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
Love what Peter Hyatt Has to say.
May 15th, 2010 at 10:14 pm
Art, We just wanted to tell you how much we love and trust you with the hard work you have done… I have been with you from the start of Haleigh’s disappearance. We (friends) went on other websites, quit that because we can trust all of what you say… We are hoping that you write a book, and feel it would be a best seller, above all, we know it would be THE TRUTH! Also hope you could get your own show because you only report what you get from relyable sources, and separate truth from BS… IS THERE ANYWAY YOUR FANS CAN HELP??? Where can we write or call??? We love you in Washington State! Jan Brady & Friends
May 15th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
I do not buy the story about hunting.
Since Joe was going to go to Tn. the next day, where would he find the time to scope out a deer? And in the dark no less! If he was lucky enough to bag one fast, he’d have to have help, not to mention a rope, a knife and other assorted devices-then he have to wait to gut it and string it up and then wait for it to bleed-it’s a long wait, much longer than a few hours to do all this. Then where would he put it to take it back to Tn.? On the hood? He doesn’t look the type to carry a current hunting license-he’d be stoppped so fast.
I think the only thing being hunted was drugs.
May 15th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
In the video released on Friday (re: Tommy speaking via phone to Mrs Hollars) Did anyone else notice that Tommy laughed and was grinning when he said “Joe did it?”
May 16th, 2010 at 12:30 am
Ok I dont usually post but i have to point out a few things i thought odd about this entire bunch. besides Ronalds fake behaviour the night of the 911 call. it was previously stated by misty and rons mom that joe came to the house that day. as well as ac man and grandma. yet on the talk show when asked if joe was there rons mom said yes and ron wuickly corrected her and stated no joe was not there.. i might point out rons mom didnt say anything else about it. now i question if ron wasnt there and mama was how would he know joe wasnt there?i also question why after all the fights and arrests between ron and tommy they seem to be close enough for tommy and joe to visit the house and view his gun collections not to mention be partners in drug deals. could it be those fights were staged? and last but not least i dont doubt misty had sex with joe but if he raped her and she was afraid of him why would she be dealing with him at all? especially having him in her home. i have always thought ron and misty are the key players here and i believe they involved tommy.
May 16th, 2010 at 12:58 am
I still maintain they are just a bunch of scared street kids who can be manipulated to use speculation as fact and repeat it to anyone who will listen. Only one person would have the power over this many people and he could very well be innocent also, pedophiles are everywhere and watch for vulnerable children. I would venture to guess if she had been abducted and killed her remains would be within a 3 to 5 mile radius of the home. Again speculation but I guess we all are doing it. Great job Art, keep up the good work.
May 16th, 2010 at 1:35 am
OK, I dont believe a word of this story that Tommy is putting out there either! Why in the world would Joe kill HaLeigh because he couldnt find a atupid gun, Ive lost my car keys before and didnt kill anybody….. This is about the craziest story yet, next thing you know they will want us to believe a fairy broke into the home and killed HaLeigh. Good Lord, Ronald knows what happened to his child, he made all those phone calls that night because he knew something was up with HaLeigh, not because he was worried about Misty, does he look like the kind of guy to call home that many times just to check on his girlfriend, goodness, she had just gotten back after being gone with another man, there wasnt a lot more she could do that night that she hadnt already done. They all need to hang for this childs death!
May 16th, 2010 at 2:20 am
Okay Art, well, I have a few thoughts on latest revelations…
#1. If fact be that Joe and Tommy sexual molested Haleigh, and Misty stayed in the bedroom under covers with Jr..I can buy that..Only because of the fact that Misty has come up with a horrible life, and Misty stated wayyyyyyyy back when, when this first started, that Joe was crazy and that if there were one person that she would not want to be left alone with, it would be Joe..So ya, I can buy that…She already has a lot of mental mixup from past sexual acts done to her…She’d be terrified…
#2. As far as another story going on…Tommy and Misty were there, but were afraid to do anything because Joe threatened them and their families..Well….If Joe were molesting Haleigh or in the process of killing Haleigh, Tommy, being the 6 foot plus tall man, could have stopped Joe from harming Haleigh. Joe couldn’t be harming the child, and at the same time, keeping an eye on both Tommy and Misty…so, I truly do not buy that story…at all…But I will say this..If Tommy and Misty stood by and watched Joe harm Haleigh, and did absolutley nothing to stop it, then they all need to go down..Actually, in my opinion, they should revoke Ronalds sentence and let Ronald have his justice on the guilty party or parties! Justice served!
#3. If the rope used with the block were in Tommy’s van, wouldn’t there have been fibers from the rope that the LE would have found?
#4. Could Joe or Joe and Tommy have raped Haleigh at the trailer, and could that have thrown her into an Asthma attack that killed her?
#5. If Joe or Joe and Tommy raped Haleigh at the trailer, would there not be evidence left behind on the couch, whether it be blood from the vagina or sperm or something?
I’m not buying any of these stories yet…Still not adding up..But, I think Ronald has taken enough beatings by the public…I personally think that the loss of his daughter, in such a horrific manner, has been punishment enough for Ron..I truly wish that his entire sentence would be revoked..But personally, I believe that they are going to keep Ron behind bars for Ron’s protection..Not protection from others, but protection to keep Ron from committing murder..I think that the LE knows that if they let Ron out on the street, that murder would be comitted, and Ron would be facing charges of murder…Anyways, I try not to think of what Haleigh went thru…I pray God spared her…I would love to hear your input on some of what I have said Art!
May 16th, 2010 at 2:55 am
Art, I remember the story from Tommy at one time as being that Misty knew that Joe and Tommy were coming over to steal the prized rifle and split the proceeds between the three of them! I think Tommy changed his story, and the lawyer change his, when Nancy Grace pointed out on air that if that was true they all three were in big trouble because they had planned to commit the crime together and now that a child had been murdered, they were all implicated! So now it has been changed to just “borrowing” the rifle to go deer hunting. Someone needs to tell Tommy, Joe and Misty that borrowing guns from people who do not know you are borrowing is STEALING!
May 16th, 2010 at 3:56 am
jan:
thank you!
May 16th, 2010 at 4:48 am
Maybe Misty was doing a little dealing herself and mucked it up by way of taking Ron’s stash and promising it to someone else. She’s no stranger to this-She made that idiot 911 call about being robbed of her pills after the fact, months later.
I think there was some pretty deviant things going on in that trailer. You got 3 punks who were probably high and didn’t give a care as to what was happening or going to happen. Sick kicks. It got out of hand. Maybe Misty was sore to have missed out on some activity that night because she couldn’t get anyone to watch the kids. She wanted to party-maybe she was going to go out and sell things-things that belonged to Ron. All I know it centered around nobody else except those 3 or 4 losers.
May 16th, 2010 at 9:19 am
41. lAngiel…..One thing I found strange about Tommy’s conversation with Grannie Hollars…..he called her to call Lindsay? Why didn’t he call Lindsay himself? I can understand not calling the laywer since they are hard to reach…..alsos Grannie was always soooo broke…..it was interesting to note that she had a house phone with hold features and a second line (that’s more expensive). I wonder if anyone checked to see for sure that she has that feature on her phone line….just being suspicious….
May 16th, 2010 at 11:07 am
I don’t think Joe killed Haleigh. He’s mad because the gun he wanted wasn’t there, so he kills Ron’s daughter? Doesn’t make any sense. Ron is probably involved, or maybe it was just Misty alone. It was probably an accident. She called Tommy and he came over with Joe to dispose of the body. That’s the extent of Tommy and Joe’s involvement. It’s Misty and/or Ron that the police should focus on. With everyone involved telling so many different stories, and a lack of physical evidence (esp. the body), they may never be able to prosecute anyone, which is sad.
May 16th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
Art, if any of this is true, wouldn’t JR have woken up? JR has never said anything except that he heard squeeky shoes.
Something still doesn’t add up here……
May 16th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
Art,
To the v-islander who is questioning your reason for using the term light-skinned, this is nothing new… it is used all the time in every race. (i.e.,pale, olive, etc. etc.ect.)
What I want to know is who is this light skinned-african american?
Is this “White Boy Greg”? and what was he arrested for?
This venue is about Haleigh…..NOT RACE…get over it…..
May 16th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
Anyone else find it interesting that NG allowed the info that Haleigh died in the trailer unchallenged, without badgering the heck out of everyone as to how??? and by who????
The only reason I watch the dang show is to see your reports Art..thank you.
I also agree with one of the other posters who said there are so many versions of what occurred by all the players…there is no credibility in what any of them say;(good strategy to avoid murder conviction?) when testifying in court, if someone lies and testimony is impeached…the jury is charged with “disregard all testimony from said individual, lie in one issue, lie in all”…this is a debacle!
Hoping against hope that someone (LE) has info/evidence we are not privy to…if not, I don’t see a conviction. Justice for Haleigh is all that any of us wants. RIP angel.
May 16th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
On one of G’ma Flora’s stories she said she was told that Misty hit Haleigh in the head so hard it killed her. She’s been seen to hit JR in the head at the Doctor’s office and at the School bus stop. I think she hit her so hard this time that she may have fell to the floor and hit something, killing her.
Misty is use to her brothers and sisters-in-law cleaning up her messes, so it would come as no surprise that she called her brother. I think thats WHY her brother may have left his kids alone. Jo was spending the night there and came along as the “brains” on what to do with her body.
Misty was just too non-chalant and giddy just days later and seemed to love the attention of the media. This is not normal behavior when a little child in your care is missing.She compartmentalizes very well in her mind. Its always someone eles fault. Her Dad pleads with her several times on the jail-house tapes to “tell the truth” so its evident that she is a chronic lier.
Bouncing on the couch ??? Hmmm, if JR was in the bedroom with Misty under the covers, how would he see that ? Perhaps the bouncing on the couch was Misty’s Pay-off to cousin Jo for him helping do the deed by taking Haleigh to the river. If the whole family knew he had molested Misty when she was a kid then what the heck was he doing spending the night in a house full of Tommy’s kids ?
I think its absolutely sick for Misty to try to say she was cowering under the covers while she listened to Haleigh scream, being how she supposedly loved Haleigh like her own. She has no feelings for anyone. To put that “visual” in the minds of an already devastated family and nation over the loss of this baby, is demented. Does she think that will make people feel sorry for her ?
Then theres another possibility in my mind. She may have forced Haleigh to take a pill so she could go “play” some more. I do think the TRUTH will come out. This is a special little girl. She has captivated the entire nation.
Art, I think they came up with the idea of $35,000 later. Misty figured she may as well get something out of it and thought the people would scramble to donate anything to find her. She’s never worked a job in her life and doesn’t plan to. Did she look scared in the tapes of her selling drugs ? We all got to see the REAL Misty there. Do her so called friends like Nay-Nay still feel sorry for poor Misty ? While I don’t believe for a second that Ronald had anything to do with Haleigh being killed, I do believe he feels guilty for bringing these people & the drugs into her life, because thats the price she paid, her little life. Art, I also think that Misty was already gone when Misty refused the phone calls. I think she turned off the phone because she was at the site on the river and didn’t want any “pings” showing up. Anyway, thats what I think and I know its my opinion, but I hope Tommy, Jo & Misty feel the weight of what they have done upon them even now. Hopefully that will drive them to do the only smart thing yet, and thats to tell the truth. God bless Haleigh and JR, and God bless you Art. Thank you for “being there” for little Haleigh. I know it didn’t come cheap and cost you more than $$$ ever could. Your heart will always carry her in it and thats written all over your face. Its just one of the reasons you have endeared yourself to so many of us. You show you can be real & factual at the same time. You have passion Art ! Thanks for keeping us all up to date.
Debbie in California
May 16th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
To Windy:
I understand your outrage about people saying a parent did this or has a part in this…but maybe you need to be more realistic. I too thought Ron was an innocent parent and felt horribly sad for his when this first happend in Feb. 2009…but as I have read all the information and the information on RON and his PAST….well, I don’t think it’s possbile to say he is innocent and that’s that.
You need to be open-minded and look at society today. Look at the parents killing their children daily! Look at the wives and husbands plotting to kill and following through with it.
Sadly, we hear about these cases because today we have a national news network and internet.
It is VERY possible that Ronald Cummings had a part in this.
Can you explain him marrying Misty? Can you explain him telling (oh actually whispering) to Misty on air to look at the camera…and directing her as to what to say?
No, you need to stop judging those who say he COULD be a part of this. CAuse we live in 2010 and this is happening DAILY!
Until someone is arrested…I think Ron, Misty, Tommy, Joe, and even Ron’s grandmother and Mother and even Misty and Tommy’s parents…KNOW or took part in what happened.
I mean cover-up – it is possible the grandmother and mother is covering up for Ron too.
Can you say “Casey Anthony” case…just look at how the parents of Casy Anthony cover for her.
Sorry but you need to be more open-minded to solve a case like this. And none of us are detectives.
Do you actually think the LE says, naw Ron had no part since he cried on T.V. and is a parent? Come on….they consider him a suspect too unless they have totally ruled him out.
Anything is possible! WE live today!
We have access to so much more on the internet and T.V.
Thanks for reading.
Lynn
Sand Diego, CA
May 16th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Again, honestly, at this point…not one of them should have a plea deal at all! Why? IF they know anything and/or are a part of it..NO freaking pleas!!
I am sick and tired of hearing this people get deals!
Oh, by the way I live about 15 min. away from where John Gardner killed Chelsea King! (In northern San Diego) in an area called Lake Hodges. (Rancho Penasquitos/Rancho Bernardo is where Chelsea lived.) Anyway, this jerk also killed and raped another girl about 1 yr. ago in Feb. 2009 “Amber.” He is a repeat offender!
He should get the death penalty! But because he plead guilty they will give him life in prison.! LIFE…he gets to be alive!! In prison! Why?
I say death penalty…and I say soon not this constant years of meeting again with the board and delaying the death penalty on these jerks!
He will be alive in prison – playing cards, going outside for some sun, reading, watching T.V…etc….why? Why should he be able to BREATHe!???
And we the people PAY for his a– to sit in jail where he will be fed 3 meals a day and have a place to sleep!
I don’t care if it is restricted and prison is not fun…that’s not enough punishment for him!
Death penalty! I believe we need to get rid of killers! They killed someone so kill them!
Why do I and you have to pay taxes for all these criminals to sit in jail for years and years!
I at least think these people should be working a job FOR FREE if they are gonna be in jail! Put their butts to work…8 hrs a day BUT NO PAY!!!
Gosh…we need to change these so called laws!
Art please post this! and my other post to WINDY thanks!
And thanks for reporting the FACTS unlike other sites that go on and on about speculation.
Lynn,
San Diego, CA
May 16th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
Everybody read #37 “Duck” (his version seems pretty close..)
I think “Duck” has a very, very good version laid out here.
It makes more sense put together this way. He may even be real, real close to what really happened.
If Duck is right…well Ron should tell about his drug debt to JO and gang….why not at this point? Oh..that’s right cause then he’d still be involved just knowing this and not coming forward to cover his own butt…and too bad for his daughter.
Anyway, Duck’s version makes a lot of sense…and I really feel Teresa Neves and the grandmother know this. That’s why they don’t blame Misty. (come on…any sane grandmother would be looking at Misty as the suspect…unless of course you knew otherwise, right?!!)
Duck…I think you gotta good one there.
We will see…still the LE need info. from these three in jail if that’s the truth…they need some sort of concrete evidence too. Otherwise, JO just looks like a pawn.
Thanks for your views.
Lynn,
San Diego, CA
PLEASE post this too ART…thanks!!
May 16th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
I don’t believe any criminal would participate in a criminal act just out of doing a favor. I think a criminal would only participate in a criminal act if something was in it for him/her. With that said looking at it from the perspective of what was in it for Tommy and Joe I think it is possible the agreement between Joe and Tommy was that Tommy would get drugs/pills and Joe would get the gun. When neither was discovered Joe said he would find them and Tommy went outside and sat in his car as he said he did. IMHO he did that while Joe was working on getting the drugs and gun and then Tommy came in discovered Joe killed Haleigh, something along those lines. I believe they went there to steal the gunfor Joe and pills for Tommy. That is why Tommy is lying so much because he does not want to tell that part because he would be responsible for murder as well. Perhaps not step by step like that but I believe Tommy had dope on his mind and participated in going there for his part. JMHO
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
May 16th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
Ronald is indeed in the middle of all this. I’m sick of hearing that he was not involved. He was, and sooner or later the truth will come out.These crazy people lie so much they dont even know when they tell the truth. Flora was not lying. But she was repeating lies that she thought was the truth. I have said from day one Ronald Cummings did this and no matter who ends up in jail because of this I will always beleive he did it. Wake up Misty, he does not love you, and never has. Spill the beans. Quit covering up for him, and tell the truth for once in your miserable life. And Tommy you need to wake up and realize that Misty did’nt kill this child. I know you think you were covering for her, but you are really covering for Ronald Cummings.
May 16th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
Has anyone come up with this idea? Joe Overstreat is the supplier of the drugs Misty and Ron were dealing. Joe went down to Florida to collect on a past due drug debt from Ron. No money but Misty tells Joe about the gun as possible payment. Joe goes to collect the gun but no gun. No gun no money Joe flies into a rage and tells Misty come up- with the money or else. Joe takes Haleigh as ransom for the money owed. That explains the 60 or so phone calls from Ron that night. Still no money paid and Joe gets pissed and kills Haleigh. He dumps the body and takes off back to Tennessee.
May 16th, 2010 at 3:46 pm
I am not sure if Joe killed this little girl or if Tommy and Misty killed this little girl….all I can say is this…the police went over that trailer with a fine tooth comb and if this child were MURDERED there as Tommy and Misty say there would be DNA….blood…if he raped this child there would be SEMEN….DNA again…Joes mixed with haleighs….none of that has been said by LE…and those are things that would have come out…we have all seen video of inside the trailer..no blood any where….and that trailer was a mess….there would have been some sign somewhere a murder had occured…tells me these ppl…all of them…Tommy, Misty, and cousin Joe are still not telling the TRUTH!
May 16th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
mary he ain’t testifying about haleigh i believe he is innocent of that but he will testify against her in the drug case Misty did this and tommy helped cover her butt.
May 16th, 2010 at 5:06 pm
I agree let ron out he will take care of it.
May 16th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
Art.Did Haliegh have a nebuliser for her Asthma? Was it still in the home when the Police got there Feb 9th?
May 16th, 2010 at 6:13 pm
Nevermind my thoughts above. I read a previous post that states exactly what I wrote above.
May 16th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
Ron is and was a Drug Dealer and addict. An addict is not a good Father image. They can be mellow or mean, degrading or violent, depending on their drug level and need. They don’t care for the well being of children because they sell drugs which destroy childrens lives. They do not love anyone not even their own children. They love their drugs. Rons drugs destroyed his daughters life. Just as his life was probably destroied by his parent who was probably addicted during his childhood. He was raised by his Grand Mother and Father. It is too bad Halieghs life taken hadn’t been the lesson that changed his life from that moment on. No instead he went out and sold drugs. That tells me where his priorities where. He said to the undercover agent he could eat all 200 pills during a sale. I feel sorry for Ron and hope he turns his life around in Prison. No Deals for Dealers is my motto. When he is Prison that will be one less person to corrupt our Children and Society. I believe he is responsible for Halieghs death because of the enviorment he allowed her to live in. There was a Minor in the car during one of the Deals.
May 16th, 2010 at 6:43 pm
Art..Thank you for allowing us to post and your ever present concern for this case. Sounds like your have befriended Linlsey tell her to get a book and read about addicts and there effects on their childrens lives. No one can rescue an addict.. All the love and money in the world can not change an addicts addiction until the addict himself decides to change. Her children have been exposed to many addicts and probably have already learned destuctive social behaviors. They need counseling and so does she. Start now…
It will be painful for her at first, but if she does not remove herself and children they will always suffer with the stigma of their Fathers addiction and deeds. She says in Court that she is here for her Childrens FAther. Is she willing to scarfice her children for this man and his family. Tommy is responsible for his involvement do not let anyone tell you he needs your support now. This will only drag you down too and it will not end soon this will go for years.
May 16th, 2010 at 7:03 pm
Art.. The man just arrest that was with Misty on her drug binge. Nay Nay said in an interview that she was stopped by Cumming FAmily and asked where he was. She said she didn’t know. Later found out that TOC TIC and RC where looking for him after the weekend binge thing. Later Timmy is in bed taking med after an accident his alibi for Feb 9th and Ron has a bandage on his neck and fist Feb10th. Could there have been a fight?
Always thought that tuff guys would loose face and seek revenge if some else messed with their mules. Misty (mule) and this young man where messing around.
May 16th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
This whole family is a piece of work, aren’t they! Starting with the father, Hank Sr & Lisa who are crack addicts, liars & thieves. The parents are still in trouble with the law! Can’t imagine what it was like growing up as children under that roof! Now look at their own children. They are just like their own parents! Now murder is thrown in the mix!
Ron has been pretty quiet lately, but I’ll bet he’s thinking, ‘What have I done by getting mixed up with this bunch? My daughter has been murdered & if thats not enough, I keep hanging with Misty & now I’ve lost my freedom over her & drugs!’ Surely he knows she’s bad news by now doesn’t he?
I think Ron was into drugs before he even met Misty though. I even think he was into a lot more than what we know. I wonder if he had a police record? I’m not saying he had anything to do with Haleigh murder though.
I don’t believe for 1 minute that Tommy was scared of Jo though, & if Misty was so scared of him, he would not be anywhere near that trailer. Did Hank Sr. know that Jo sexually abuse his daughter? What was he doing in Florida visiting with the family then? He wouldn’t have been in my house if he touched any of my daughters, so is this just another story Misty has made up? Joe was down there for a reason. Was it for Drugs? Doesn’t he have a wife? Where was she? My husband wasn’t going to Florida on vacation without me, unless he was down there for another reason! Business! Drug business maybe?
I’m sorry, but I think Ron deserves to go to jail for as long as Misty does, because of his involvement in the drug buying & the intent to sale. He’s on tape trying to buy them for goodness sakes, So he’s not that innocent! I do think that he had given up though! Most of us can’t imagine what it’s like loosing your little girl & not knowing how has got to be eating him up inside! I do think if he survives prison that someone is going to pay for this & he will kill for it just like he said!
May 16th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
If Ron knows what happened to his daughter, why didn’t he kill whomever he suspected took Haleigh? He said, “I will kill whoever took my daughter, I don’t care, I will spend the rest of my life in prison”. I think he said it because he is the guilty party, and knows he won’t have to kill anyone..He had a lot of time before the drug arrest to take care of Haleigh’s abductor, or at least search for the abductor and Haleigh, but he was too busy getting tatts, and living the high life, didn’t lead organized searches..I think the 911 call was staged..I think three people were involved.. Ron, Misty and Tommy…I was skeptical about Tommy at first, thinking he was only protecting his sister, but it was he and Misty who schemed to blame it on Joe..If he truly wasn’t involved he would say, “I don’t know”, and keep repeating it..The truth doesn’t change..Lies weave an enormous web..The truth will eventually be known. Or maybe we will never know, which isn’t unlikely…RIP Haleigh
IMO
May 16th, 2010 at 7:35 pm
Just a little thing, would you please stop calling HaLeigh’s home “a trailer.” It was a home just like anybody else’s. They didn’t live in a U-Haul.
May 16th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
rt, I love your site. You are my Joe Friday……just the facts mamm, nothing but the facts…plus it takes a lot of patience to put up with all of us arm chair detectives and continue to be polite…….Thank You
May 16th, 2010 at 8:02 pm
I totally agree with J.Brown! I too noticed that Tommy never said “Joe” did it until that granny directly ASKED if it was Joe. Up until taht point when he kept saying “he” has to pay, I was thinking that he was gonna name RON as the killer. If it was Ron, that wpuld explain why he was in fear for his kids. Joe is in TN, Ron probably has many connections there in Satsuma. I really believe that Tommy and Misty have been and still are covering for Ron. Whicj is why Teresa Neves was speaking so highly of Misty in the beginning. For MOST people if Ron had a security camera, and the whole thing was filmed EXACTLY as Misty said, Ron would not have married Misty and their relationship would have been beyond over. Teresa Neves would not have sised with Misty either. For most people the simple fact that she went “missing” on Misty’s watch would have been a deal breaker to say the least. Many marriages do not survive after a child is abducted under the watchful eye of a parent. It all leads back 2 RON!
May 16th, 2010 at 8:22 pm
You go Flo Hollars. You were telling the truth! You deserve a few appologies from people, including Timmy’s wife. I just don’t understand why Flo would implicate her own grandcholdren, unless she wanted the truth to come out one way or the other. She’s got to be torn up over all of this though! I’m worried that someone is going to hurt her in some way. That Jo sounds pretty crazy & if he’s in a gang, no telling what they would do to her! Get u some bodyguards Flo. Hey I know these guys named Smith & Wesson!
May 16th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
After all the lies and telling a different version each time they are questioned, who would believe Misty or Tommy?
If I were LE, there would be no deals. Why cut a deal with a bunch of liars and misfits? The real truth will never come out. The last person to see Haleigh alive knows what happened, how her precious little life came to an end.
No deals. They would take their chances in court. If they walk, they walk, but I would not let them plead to any thing less than what they were arrested for.
Time heals all wounds and time wounds all heels.
May 16th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
…and Tommy C. has children of his own and a baby sister.
Although even in the event of some awful ou burst of anger and rage…or some drugged up party people ignoring the dangers a child can face in that atmosphere of waste.
May 16th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
Why don’t they give cousin Joe a lie detector test?????
May 16th, 2010 at 11:48 pm
Trying to keep up with all the different stories is giving me a headache. This clan of people do not know how to tell the truth. And yes, I did notice the smirk on Tommys face when he was talking to his grandmother. I also found this disturbing. A young child is missing/murdered/raped…..I fail to see the humor in any of this. The cheese has without a doubt slipped off all of these peoples crackers!
I have followed this case faithfully from the start and now over two years later there still isn’t an arrest. Must say the wheel of justice truly do move slowly. No…..I don’t believe this story either.
May 17th, 2010 at 12:27 am
I agree with #39, Ducks. I think you have it exactly right. Nashville is not a world away from Florida. Maybe 12 hr drive? Do we know for sure Joe didn’t call in some help from his “friends” to get even with Ronald for something?No. It’s not a huge leap to think RC might have owed JO money, money he didn’t have. IF any of this is true, RC placed Misty and his own kids in serious danger and he must have realized it pretty quick. I think it is important people consider what a “gang” is and the loyalty members have to each other. Now THAT is enough to scare the heck out of the Croslin’s and even RC. What if they said something like,,,you saw what we did to the girl, if you say a word we will be back to get your kids.(sickening thought but some people are heartless). Tommy says “they” can’t get his family now, Flora says “nobody knows where they are”, meaning Lyndsay and the kids.Ron’s in jail, she didn’t mean him. The reason they haven’t looked scared before is because they weren’t locked up before the drug bust, as long as they didn’t have to talk they were ok. Could be (for all we know) both Misty and Tommy had guns at their heads by some mean dudes who they know will carry out a threat because they saw what they did to Haleigh. Didn’t Ron tell his mom in a jail tape early on that Crystal was moving around a lot from state to state? Back then i didn’t know what he meant by that. Maybe it was to protect Jr and Crystal? This is a theory but it sure makes more sense if you think in terms of more than just Joe, Joe and his posse is a whole different story. Misty has no kids but she has family and maybe even scared for Jr.. Ron being so close to Misty after all this might have been to prove to the Tenn. gang he isn’t going to cause them any problems, but his resentment toward Misty was too much, thus the quick marriage/divorce. I’d like to see Joe take a poly, and i am glad someone else has given thought to the bigger picture of Joe Overstreet. After i read Duke’s post it fits better than any other theory i have heard and definitely explains the fear factor in all this. I have not forgotten what Crystal said when she came out of the meeting with LE..”Joe killed Haleigh”. They aren’t going to tell her that unless they are sure of it..imo and jmo.
May 17th, 2010 at 12:44 am
Thinking of some of the comments made to the media by Ronald early on, he said things like “if i had 35 thousand dollars i might be able to get her back” something to that effect. He also said ” I’d give everything i own, they are just things, please bring my daughter back”. After the fact he realizes if he had just not been so concerned about his precious guns this may not have happened. Can someone explain why Ronald came up with the 35k amount? Was that the amount of a debt he owed? Surely there was some explanation by him of what he meant by that but i don’t recall hearing one.
May 17th, 2010 at 1:58 am
I just realised a possibility. Misty was NOT at the MH that night because had she been she would surely have known what Haleigh was wearing. She either left those kids alone or with someone else who either allowed Haleigh to be taken or did not wake up to prevent it. There could be another person who has never been mentioned up till now. THAT could be why Misty fails the detector tests. Then to cover up her absence Misty comes back and sets the scene- maybe with Tommy’s help. Tommy knows that another person was there when he went to the MH earlier. Misty did not want to babysit that night. I think there is another person in this story but we have not met them yet. Misty is not all that bright but she could hardly forget what Haleigh was wearing.
May 17th, 2010 at 2:00 am
Art, I know you try very had to collect information that is as accurate as your sources can be, but read all these posts…..no one is listening to you! All the stories and and accusations that have absolutely no basis and not backed in any way by your reporting. Why don’t you correct some of this? Misty wasn’t afraid of Joe a day after Haliegh went missing because at that time she told the police about him, and that he had been there and she didn’t trust him.If there is any truth to the gun situation, Misty was going to allow Joe to take the gun, why wouldn’t his anger be directed at her when it wasn’t there? From experience I can tell you that losing a child is more than I could ever explain in words, I can’t imagine what it would be like to also be accused wrongly of being involved..People, the police have cleared Ron Cummings! Just because you don’t like him, are you saying the police are lied?The worse thing he’s guilty of where his little girl is concerned is ever getting near a Croslin!Less of Granny Hollers and more actual true info from police and reliable sources!
May 17th, 2010 at 2:13 am
Ron comes home and Haleigh is gone but he for some bizarre reason covers for Misty so they use the cinder block story?
If Joe is a sexual offender and Misty left HIM babysitting….he harms Haleigh and Misty cannot tell Ron she left Joe with the kids as Ron knows he is a sexual offender and would have gone ballistic?
Tommy goes to the MH and Joe pulls him in to help get rid of Haleigh before Misty returns. That would make Misty guilty of child neglect and she likes kids and would not want that and Tommy an accessory covering for both Joe and Misty because Joe has threatened his own kids. Or it was not Joe and was convenient he was in town and there was another person as I said, who has not been a suspect as yet. Tommy covers for this person?
Now who might Misty ask to cover the babysitting for her and did they kill Haleigh OR are we all barking up the wrong tree and Haleigh is alive but Misty and Tommy, because of the disapearance also think someone killed her?
May 17th, 2010 at 3:28 am
Another quick theory to add…it is possible someone else turned off Misty’s cell phone, sending the message to Ronald he’s too late. Calling 90 times is beyond mere concern, more like a panic mode. Did Misty have her cell phone when LE came that night? Later, right after the arrest, Misty keeps telling Lisa a gf has her stuff including her phone (same phone or new one?). Were LE ever able to get a warrant to get the phone from her friend as it may have had relevant info to the case in it? Just wondering. Did Donna Brock learn anything at all if that was always her intent? We don’t hear much about her, does she have a court date set like the others?
May 17th, 2010 at 7:46 am
Remember back to when Chelsea woke up and found cousin Joe fully clothed when she stated he usually sleeps in his boxers. Then she found the van in a different place than where she parked it. Why is it we only hear from Chelsea and NEVER from Timmy??
May 17th, 2010 at 9:17 am
OK Art, I’m not buying the story that Haleigh was killed at the trailer for one second. First of all these people involved are not the sharpest tools in the shed… A murder in a trailer and no evidence ANYWHERE?? Not buying it.And even little Junior would have heard SOMETHING with that kind of commotion going on. This is just another lie on top of a mountain of lies. Tommy’s looking for a “Get out of jail free” card. He knew good and well his phone call to Grandma Flo was being recorded…and he’s making comments like..”don’t say anything to anybody yet”.,, Like NG always says…”second verse same as the first”.
May 17th, 2010 at 10:01 am
Hi Art,
Is this guy (the light skinned african american male) she had the revenge sex with is he a suspect? Do we know who he is ? Has he been ruled out? Has anybody questioned him? If so who is he ? Did he come back looking for Misty and got Haleigh instead? And Miss. Misty is scared to say so? Just wonderin..Thanks
May 17th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
I was wondering were is Haleigh’s breathing machine? Did they find it in the MH or is that still missing?
Thanks A million Art!
Rest in Peace Haleigh!
DVB
May 17th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
Hi Art,
Has little Junior ever confirmed anything other than “the man in black story”. Like has he ever said anything about being under the covers with Misty or that Haleigh (his sissy as his mom said he called her) was screaming in another room?
May 17th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
I THINK HALEY SAW MISSTY WITH SOMEONE MAYBE EVEN JOE AND THEY KILLED HER TO SHUT HER UP
May 17th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
If Tommy is so worried about his kids safety, and that’s why he kept quiet about cousin Joe then why is his dumb butt out committing all these crimes and getting sent to jail instead of being a man, getting a job and protecting his family.
It is hard to feel sorry for a moron.
May 17th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
Seems to me, if Misty’s story is true, then they ought to be able to get some sort of confirmation out of Jr. that this really happened. He would have heard his sister being murdered. It’s not likely that a child would forget that anytime soon. I really don’t think any of it is true and Joe is being used as a scapegoat. I think he may have been involved as far as helping to dispose of the body, but i don’t believe he is the psycho that they all have made him out to be. I really believe everyone in both the Croslin and the Cummings families knows what happened to Haleigh.
May 17th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
Was Joe staying at Timmy’s or Tommy’s house for his vacation? What time did Joe and Tommy go over to see Misty?
Why did Timmy and Chelsea (?..I hope this is the right one) move to Tennessee (or wherever it was)?
May 17th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
They are all liars and they are all addicts and they are all involved in the death and cover up of Haliegh .
Ronald is the ring leader, the king pin.
He tells the croslin clan what to do and they do it because Ronald is the main connection for their drugs.
there is no “honor among addicts”
any more than there is “honor among thieves”
and these people are both.
Ronald is a poor actor though he does fool some including MISS NANCY. and his “mother Teresa” (she believes her Ronald baby could do no wrong)
I do believe Ronald grieves the death of his daughter but he lies about her death, and he was in on the cover up.
He wanted that trailer cleaned up (from drugs) before they called 911 and the croslins spent hours doing just as he instructed them to do on the phone. Ronald had to stay at work to ensure his alibi, he also stopped at a store he knew had a camera to also support his alibi.
We will never get a straight story because they are all covering for themselves and all will point the finger at the other.
lie lie and deny, the main thing they all want is free to pop some pills.
and that is their motive for lying.
their addictions come first, not family, not children but
their drugs.
Ronald knows everything and was the leader in telling those idiot croslins what to do to keep from going to jail.
but in the end, it was not the death of Haleigh that landed them in jail, it was the drugs, the very thing that cost Haleigh her life.
IRONIC
I think Haleigh over dosed on drugs and died, then they tried to blame it on some abduction so they could remain free to do more dope
May 17th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
I do not believe Misty is afraid of Joe, I do think she has some fear from Ronald though, and it isn’t that much, she likes to keep doped up all the time, that is her main motive.
Drugs.
After Misty accused Joe of molesting her, she freely went over to visit him time and time again (according to her grandmother Flo)
Misty would freely have sex with any man that would supply her with drugs.
May 17th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
IMO, Joe never stole Ron’s gun. Ron admitted he was the one who hid it and also the one that retrieved it, sprayed it, and cleaned it. Later claims that LE took it. So, that gun story is all BS. Just like most of what Misty, Tommy, Chelsea, and Ron are saying.
May 17th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
Art – I love Nancy Grace, but she makes me mad when she doesn’t let you speak for too long! Grr…I wish you had your own show! Keep up the great work and I cannot wait until an arrest is made in the coming weeks!
May 17th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
I am curious Art, hope you will give a quick answer. From what i heard, Tommy was home a month or so before the drug bust when Misty went there asking him to get roxies or some kind of pills for a friend of hers, which he did. Was this the one charge they have on Tommy? If it is, how can Ronald testify against Tommy on that? Sounded like RC wasn’t there during that transaction.(?) With a plea deal to testify against both MC and TC, what exactly can Ron say about Tommy? Seems one would have to be an eye witness in order to testfy against someone, anything else would be hearsay wouldn’t it? Any current news on the case against Donna, court date or a plea deal in the works for her?
May 17th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
Art can you help me with this? I remember way back they said that the dogs had tracked Haleigh’s scent but it stopped at some point, well if the new story that Tommy is saying is true then wouldn’t that conflict with that? Because if she died in the trailer then the dogs wouldn’t of picked up on her scent for a few blocks right? I was confused on this. Because weren’t there supposedly trace marks of her feet that they found behind the trailer implicating that she was walking at some point until they couldn’t detect her scent or see her footprints?
May 17th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
If Misty was scared of Joe, why did she mention his name to the police the day Haliegh went missing? Does not make sense to me that she would mention the name of the person she was so afraid of.
May 17th, 2010 at 3:34 pm
Nope Nope Nope I don’t believe it. tooo MADE UP ! For me, I have always said Ronnie, Misty, His Mom, AND Her Mother, And the lot of them know’s what happened to that Baby. they’ve had too much time to make up a story, Should any of them get into trouble for something and use that story as a plea to get out of what ever to save their hides, No they all know who did what, and where that child is at. If she isn’t alive, than they sold her for drugs, and who has her, I’d Stake my life on that.
Darn a thief but Damm a lier, a thief you’ll always know what they’ll do but a lier will lie about it every time, Nither one is ever any good.
*** Find Haleigh ***
May 17th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
Still not buying it!!!! The State may get an indictment at grand jury against Misty, Tommy, and perhaps even scapegoat Joe, But they are far from a jury conviction, imo!!!! Plenty of Reasonable Doubt with all these lying, thieving, drug using and drug dealing trash!!! Sadly, Haleigh may never see justice, and this falls upon Ron all well, imo. Far to many stories, “lies” to determine what really happened to this child. Misty and Tommy still can’t pass a polygraph even with their latest story, why because it is still all lies. Polygraphs are admissible at grand juries, but generally not at trial. If the State can’t even determine what happened to Haleigh, how will they convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt. It is reasonable to believe Misty was involved in this crime, but the State is lacking the evidence to prove it, unless you include “credible” Tommy and Ron to testify as witnesses!! Ha, ha, ha, what a joke, Tommy and Ron as State witnesses!!!!
May 17th, 2010 at 4:13 pm
I have to say, I agree with most of you guys. I think that Ronald knows more than he is letting on. He LEFT HIS KIDS WITH A WOMAN THAT HAD BEEN ON A DRUG BENGE FOR THREE DAYS AND ANOTHER MAN. She didn’t want to keep the kids that night and he made her stay with them. (HE’S CRAZY FOR LEAVING THEM THERE). Then, there is Misty, she has no respect for her self, must less any one else. She told her daddy on the phone to get her out before he got her brother out. (SELFISH). If you look around their house, you can tell they were more worried about them selves than the kids. The beds on the floor, but they’re out buying and selling drugs. How can the grandmother’s get on TV and talk about those kids loving Misty after they know what she has done? I believe we will never know the true story. I don’t think they know how to tell the truth. I really think they all need to go to prison.
May 17th, 2010 at 4:57 pm
Art, does Ronald need a license to have a fire arm? Like in my state wherer I live you need one. Does His county ot state require he have one. If so did he have one?
May 17th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
I know this is way off topic…But i always found it odd Caylee Marie Anothony memorial service was Feb.10-2009..Haleigh Ann Marie Cummmings missing Feb 9th-10th.2009.
May 17th, 2010 at 6:34 pm
I dont know what happened I need to see more circumstantial evidence and other evidence like I did in that Casey case but in this one there is so many suspects or potential ones.I know Misty told almost the truth from beginning the others didnt..and Ron actions are weird but I dont know.I want to believe Misty now but I just dont know esp if it is true that she let Haleigh be harmed while she hid I know she is a chicken whom likes to act tough but she isnt but if she let Haleigh get hurt FORGET HER!!!! Iam so glad Jane,Levi and others on HLN is giving me more then just what I was getting before. I think everything still needs to be investigated and I need to see more evidence. If Misty let Haleigh get hurt while she was nearby forget her. I do know she acts tough but she really isnt. I agree with Levi alot things he cliam about Ron and other stuff. Hey Levi what is that browser thing I found on your site? LOL:)it worries me.
May 17th, 2010 at 6:39 pm
oops I mean there are so many potential suspects.There is a clue that only the police,a news station know about that I dont think no one else knows but I dont want mess up a investigation so i want say now. It has to do with the beginning of the case.It’s amazing what you can find out reviewing old news coverage.I really just want Haleigh to be found,the truth and the right people to be punished
May 17th, 2010 at 6:46 pm
I have no clue I am just going listen and stuff. The thing that is weird is is the story being reported by the media is alot worst for the suspect then just then just saying she died accidently
May 17th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
I guess iam not going say anything intil I see evidence of their own words -the entire conversation.That’s what I want to see like I did in the Casey case.I know certain individual are blaming the state for Casey being tainted but if one would locate their common sense they will see that Casey,defense and her media friends are responsible not the state.I dont see the state on my tv set unless its the courtroom.Jose was in court blaming the media and state for the protestors and coverage-when it was Casey who whined to get out instead taking up detectives and George’s offer for protectivce custody,it was Casey who sent Jose to New York to do business stuff (fox+leonard padilla,larry garrison)with the media it was Casey,Jose and the media who caused the protestors and stuff.I never heard of anyone who really was threatened turn down offers to place in protective custody instead wanting out with the so called kidnappers and protestors and media.
May 17th, 2010 at 7:17 pm
Hey Art====Remember Ron and the whiney–”I’ll give them everything I own….” hmmmm…drug debt..gun as payment…and he double crossed….and Misty’s going to tell.
May 17th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
Ducks–Just finished JVM and waiting to go on NGrace in a few…we’ll see what we cover…mostly about Ron’s plea deal…Art
May 17th, 2010 at 8:44 pm
I don’t buy the Joe did it scenario. Misty is a lot smarter and cunning than anyone wants to believe,just look at the video of the drug deal going down. She was running the show. ‘
As for Haleigh, Misty was jealous of Ron’s and Haleigh’s relationship. She knew that she would never come 1st in Ron’s life. Why do you think they married? It wasn’t Ron’s idea to get married, Misty convinced Ron to marry her. Because Haleigh was out of the way.
Misty killed her and she,her brother and cousin deposed of the body. Misty is very very cunning.
May 17th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
I am so tired of Nancy Grace referring to Misty as a step-mom. She did’nt marry Ronald til after Haleigh went missing, and you cannot be a stepmom to a deceased child. Which makes me wonder about JR.? would’nt he be able to indicate to LE that he “hid under covers with Misty”? He sure mentioned Misty and Joe “bouncing on the Couch”
May 17th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
Art, Saw you on JVN and NG…..Great job! Can’t wait to see the letter you talked about…..
May 17th, 2010 at 9:53 pm
I heard Joe did take the lie detector and passed.
Nancy did not remember this.
May 17th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
I’m not understanding how Ron pleading “guilty” to something is going to suddenly bring about a confession in this case. We are dealing with world class liars here. Is he supposed to be pleading guilty to drug trafficking? How does that make for a murder confession? Why would he have to plead guilty to something he has already been caught on tape doing? This scenario makes no sense whatsoever. If Haleigh were killed in the trailer that evening there would most definitely have been evidence, that is, if the police did their job. Here is my take on this: All 3 culprits are guilty of something henious in the death of this child–that’s Ron, Misty, and Tommy. Because even to have knowledge that a child was murdered or how she was murdered, and you don’t go to the police you are guilty of being an accessory after the fact. We’ve just got to figure out who is guilty of what and that is going to take some doing after nearly 16 months. I still say Joe is the red herring here and this whole gun thing is some kind of smokescreen. I can’t see anyone going ballistic over a missing gun enough to kill a child. I could see someone doing that if drugs or money were missing. These people weren’t making their living off of guns, they were drug traffickers plain and simple. The guns were entertainment.
And anyone who puts a loaded gun in their mouth in front of other people is psychotic in my book, completely over the edge.
May 17th, 2010 at 9:57 pm
HCummings had been abused, prior to her disappearance as indicated by DCF investigations, the biological mother her lawyer, and HER family…
Ronald’s Ex’s all claim he was abusive..and did drugs..as per his “rap sheet.”
The killing was a DRUG DEBT PAID by the blood of child ….
DEBT OWED BY MISTY AND OR RONALD …….is my opinion.
JOE and TOMMY disposed the body …
RONALD’S 911 tape:
“Bitch how’d you let my child get taken”
**INVOLVEMENT**
May 17th, 2010 at 10:34 pm
C’mon Art. Where’s the letter that Chelsea wants to sell?
May 17th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
I also believe Misty was caught having sex with her own cousin Joe and when Haleigh caught them, she threatened to tell her Dad, Ron and Misty felt Haleigh had to be killed to shut her up. I believe Tommy came over that night and caught Joe there also and Misty and Joe started lying about pills or Haleigh accidentally falling, and with Ron’s tough guy reputation, Tommy agreed to help get rid of the body.
May 17th, 2010 at 10:47 pm
These are just some of my last thoughts, I leave the rest up to law enforcement and God the ultimate judge.
The only kind of scenario I could see happening at the house that evening is some kind of violent argument between Ron and Misty. I don’t think Haleigh got hold of drugs on her own, God knows she was around them constantly if it was going to happen that way it would have long ago. I think she may have gotten upset over a physical confrontation between Ron and Misty, possibly causing a severe asthmatic attack, maybe they used some kind of drug to calm her down when the inhaler didn’t work leading to a fatal reaction. I just believe in my heart that Haleigh was not sexually molested, I believe it was accidental, although Ron and Misty both are culpable. Ron had to go to work and Tommy was needed to help hide and/or bury the body. I have never bought that Haleigh was not deceased until after Ron left for work. Or he could have come home, then the argument, then left again. I’ve always felt like the timeline was never right.
May 17th, 2010 at 11:09 pm
I enjoyed tonights’ shows, Art..Another great performance!
A plea deal is possibly in the works for Ron..NG said tonight the plea deal is for information leading to Haleigh. I thought the plea deal was in reference to the drug arrest..How can a plea deal be made for info of Haleigh, when this is about the drug bust? I would think the plea deal is for Ron naming the suppliers of the drugs they were selling. Granted, everything goes back to Haleigh, but they are two separate cases.. HELP!! I am confused.. TIA
May 17th, 2010 at 11:19 pm
If I had seen someone fly into a rage and murder an innocent screaming child, I would be terrified of that person and what that person was capable of. Misty was a victim of sexual abuse and domestic violence. fear and reluctance to testify in those situations is common
May 17th, 2010 at 11:19 pm
If there was screaming in the trailer that night, I don’t think the “man with sqeaky shoes in black” would be the thing that Little Jr. would have remembered. I still believe Misty’s first story – someone snuck into the house that night and took Haleigh. I think someone owed a drug debt or it was just a mean fight between Ron and the Croslins. I think Little Haleigh may have died of fright. I do think Tommy unlocked the back door when he was there earlier. I never did believe his story about going over and banging on the door at 10 PM. I think it’s time to have a memorial for that little girl!
May 17th, 2010 at 11:21 pm
yeah changed the story to avoid ‘felony murder’
May 17th, 2010 at 11:31 pm
did I hear right??? Padia said on Nancy Grace tonight that LE had belongings that Joe had disposed of in a dumpster on his way back home…..What is that all about???
May 18th, 2010 at 12:38 am
I agree with Ducks. What was the needing 35k about?
May 18th, 2010 at 1:03 am
To “Ducks!” (and Art)
Ducks – I posted a message before your message today 5/17 at 7:17pm. My message is still in moderation…what I said was basically I think the way you laid out your theory in a previous longer message on here was really RIGHT ON…I think you are right. I think this was a drug debt! Makes more sense more and more…
I think Terese Neves and the great grandmother know this. I also think the other members of Croslin Family – Chelsea, Timmy and parents: Lisa and HAnk, Sr. KNOW this too.
It’s up to Misty and Tommy AND RONALD to come CLEAN (and EVERYONE else that knows!!
And yes…they are INVOLVED….for ONE: helping JO cover up/or dispose of a body! A CHILD! And TWO: Not saying one word all this time! I don’t care if JO is part of a major gang like the Mexican Mafia or the Bloods and Crips….they COVERED for JO and drug gang! THey would rather cover their butts then to help LE get the murderers!! And to carry on for a year like this is just a SHAME!!
If they came forward in the beginning….they would not get time for the murder of a child or involvement..cover up…whatever…but they still are so dumb they would get time for drug dealing!! RONALD C. is NOT smart at all!! He thinks he is,..what a JOKE! I believe he is/was upset about his daughter…but DRUGS obviously became more important to him = DEALING….drug dealing alone…shows what’s really important to this “Father.”
LE needs to Clean UP and CLEAN OUT SASUMA, FLORIDA.
Give the drug addicts – REHAB
give the drug dealers – TIME for their crime
give the Murderes, participants, cover-ups = LIFE for poor Haliegh’s death!!
-Lynn
May 18th, 2010 at 1:09 am
Hi Art,
I know your a very busy man/professional but please post some of my messages…even though they are long. I think Duck’s version is best and I want other people to read what I say so they will read his version and maybe they will comment on if they think “Ducks” version seems closest.
Thanks,
Lynn
San Diego,CA
May 18th, 2010 at 2:01 am
Art,
I didn’t know until tonight that Joe threw his stuff away at a gas station i believe LP said on his trip home. What?? Who does that? He could have been throwing stuff away all across Georgia or whatever route they took. Doesn’t that sound suspicious all by itself? They apparently didn’t find anything but WHY would someone throw all their clothes etc away on the way home from a vacation? Does LP really not find anything unusual about that? Please post this one Art. I rarely get past moderation. Wonder how many others knew this detail.
May 18th, 2010 at 2:12 am
what’s wrong with Ron lawyer,plea bargan.15 years. HIS LAWYER SHOULD HAVE SAID RON was justing hanging W/Misty crowd trying to get info on his daughter. He told the undercover cop sitting in the front seat. He should not B going to jail. His mind was on his special child, someone comes in his home and steal his child,his job terminate(what happen to FAMILY LEAVE). THE POLICE HAS DONE A BAD JOB IN THIS CASE,the state s/h gave him counsel.FIRE YOUR LAWYER RON!!!
May 18th, 2010 at 3:29 am
Unbelievable the only truth in Flora’s story, was Tommy implied Joe killed Haleigh…the rest of what she said in various interview came straight out of her imaginings, and were assumptions on her part.
May 18th, 2010 at 5:21 am
Hmmm, I think that Ducks has the most likely scenerio and what she/he says makes a lot of sense. This one answers most of my questions. It’s all so very sad that a little girl had to die! I hope that it comes to a head soon and the responsible party/parties are convicted.
May 18th, 2010 at 5:45 am
Hi Art,
I’ve been following this case from the beginning. I was so happy to find your website, it was so informative…Now, it seems that I have to wait until an appearance on Nancy Grace before you write another article..Thewebsites are a week ahead of you..except what the Croslins are saying…which needs to be taken with 5 boxes of salt…I really loved how “on the story” you used to be.. I don’t watch much of Nancy anymore either…she don’t have her facts straight either…People who post here ask some good questions, you used to give a least an opinion or food for thought, but now you seem to only reply to the ones who compliment you…It seems Nancy is running your show for you now…a week late and a dollar short…I appreciate your dedication to Haleigh in the beginning but doubt your sincarety now…I think you lost your focus somewhere along the line and turned into another out for fame…sooo sad…
May 18th, 2010 at 6:17 am
I haven’t heard much more about this, but on the day that Haleigh disappeared didn’t police find a blanket in a trash can close to the house w/fecal matter on it? And did neighbors report hearing a loud bump or sound outside?
May 18th, 2010 at 7:28 am
Art, I posted two posts here a couple of days ago and neither one were posted. what happened? You are doing a great job with this case in keeping us all updated on what is going on. Also, God Bless you for keepig calm when you are on Nancy Grace’s show.
May 18th, 2010 at 9:33 am
Had Haleigh been screaming in another room, Jr. would have mentioned that. Period. That is another bs story. LOOK AT THIS FROM THE ARTICLE….
Had Ronald learned she was part of the conspiracy, sources tell me Misty believed she wouldn’t be long for this world.
Read it again! Again. And again.
MISTY KNEW AND KNOWS RONALD IS 100% CAPEABLE OF MURDER!!! RON TOLD 911 OPERATORS HE WILL MURDER!!!
Listen here people! When SOMEONE TELLS YOU WHO THEY ARE…BELIEVE THEM! Ron is a killer. PERIOD!
May 18th, 2010 at 10:31 am
the combine of these story line are killing me into what to read anymore ,,,This whole story lines are sick, twisted, spoiled, drugs, killers They all should be blamed for Haleigh dead right from Ronald ,Misty ,Tommy, cuz Joe….i thinking they all know more things just don’t add up here,,,Now Lindsay &Chelsea are commenting on what they know ,,,It going to be a mess court cases for poor judge in florida,,,Art Harris do you know if this court will be on court tv open court,,, i will love to watch this mess twisted people on the stand,,,,,It”s too bad a pretty little girl had to be part of this ugly sick people plan for what a gun drugs sick sad and twisted … i hope they all hang themselves one way or another they all lied to everyone ….The sad part of the story a 5 year old didn”t get to enjoy her life
for poor little Jr doesnt have a big sister just memories of Haleigh all because of what drugs drugs drugs god bless Haleigh angels will take care of you little one
May 18th, 2010 at 11:03 am
THIS WHOLE CROSLIN STORY IS STILL AS EXCITING AS THE DAY IT FIRST AIRED. I AM JUST HOPING SOMEHOW SOMEWAY THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT VERY SOON. MY QUESTION IS THIS. IF JOE OVERSTREET HAS NOTHING TO HIDE AND IS NOT LYING THEN SEND THIS EMAIL TO HIM.
TAKE A POLOGRAPH TO CLEAR THE CLAIMS AGAINST YOU. GRANTED JUST ANSWER 3 SIMPLE QUESTIONS.
1. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HALEIGH’S DISSAPERANCE?
2. DO YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT TRUELY HAPPENED TO HALEIGH?
3. HAVE YOU EVER MOLESTED OR THREATEN MISTY OR HER FAMILY FOR ANY REASON.
JUST ANSWER THOSE 3 SIMPLE QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE. IF YOU HAVE NOTHING OR DID NOTHING THEN YOU WOULD BE MORE THAN WILLING TO HELP THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN SOLVING THIS CRIME, AT LEAST CLEAR YOUR NAME. SO THIS WAY WE ALL CAN ONCE AND FOR ALL SEE IF THIS STORY IS ALSO A LIE.
HIS ATTORNEY SHOULD BE MORE THAN WILLING IF JOE IS NOT GUILTY OF ANY OF THE ALLEGATIONS SUBMIT AND SUGGEST JOE TO TAKE THE POLOYGRAPH, IF HE JOE, DOES NOT THEN THAT RIGHT THERE STATES ALOT PEOPLE. HELL, I WOULD BE BEGGING TO TAKE THE TEST IF I KNEW I HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OR ANY INVOLVEMENT IN THE CHILDS DISAPPERANCE. JUST FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 18th, 2010 at 11:15 am
NOW FOR TOMMY…AND MISTY…TAKE ONE MORE POLYGRAPH TOO SEE IF ANY OF YOUR CLAIMS TO THIS LATEST STORY IS TRUE..NO ONE IS GOING TO BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU GUYS SAY ANYMORE BECAUSE YOU BOTH HAVE LIED SO MUCH. PERAHPS THAT IS YOUR INTENTIONS, TO KEEP THIS CASE GOING WHILE THERE ARE FAMILY MEMBERS GREIVING. DO MISTY AND TOMMY HAVE NO HEART WHAT SO EVER? FROM THE PARENTS WAY OF LIFE NO WONDER THEY HAVE BEEN LABELED WHITE TRASH. ANOTHER THING I THINK THAT THE FLO PHONE CALLS WERE ALL JUST ANOTHER PLOY FOR PUBLICITY. ANOTHER LIE.
WHY WOULD TOMMY CALL HIS GRANDMA TO GET HER TO CALL HIS LAWYER TO COME DOWN? I MEAN IF I WAS IN JAIL, I WOULD MOST DEFINITLY HAVE MY LAWYERS PHONE NUMBER AND NOT RELY ON SOMEONE ELSE TO CONTACT MY ATTORNEY ON MY BEHALF..INSTEAD OF USING THAT TIME PHONING HIS GRANDMA WHY DID’NT HE JUST PHONE HIS ATTORNEY..I TELL YOU WHY, WE ARE NOT STUPID..THE KIDS KNOW THAT EACH AND EVERY PHONE CALL IS RECORDED AND THAT EACH AND EVERY LETTER THAT THEY SEND OUT IS BEING READ, AND TO TOP IT OFF THEY ARE ON THE SAME FLOOR OF THE JAIL, SO THEY CAN CONNECT AND MAKE UP STORIES. THESE KIDS KNOW HOW TO PLAY THE SYSTEM AND THE SYSTEM IS ALLOWING THEM TO PLAY. AND WHAT COULD RONALD POSSIBLY HAVE TO LESSEN HIS SENTENCE BY TESTIFYING AGAINST MISTY? WOULD THAT NOT MAKE HIM AN ACCESSORY AFTER THE FACT IF HE DID IN FACT FIND OUT SOMETHING AND DID NOT SHARE IT WITH THE POLICE WHEN HE FOUND OUT. I USE TO THINK THAT RONALD WAS IN THIS DRUG THING AS AN UNDER COVER TO HELP FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED TO HIS DAUGHTER, I HONESTLY WANTED TO BELIEVE THAT, BUT NOW IT BREAKS MY HEART TO KNOW THAT HE HIMSELF WAS INTO DRUGS AND POOR HALEIGH HAD BEEN FORGOTTON AND PUT ON THE BACK BURNER. SO SAD..DOES ANYONE IN THAT FAMILY CARE ABOUT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED TO THAT LITTLE GIRL. IF I WAS TOMMY’S WIFE I WOULD DIVORCE THAT TRASH IN A HEARTBEAT. SHE NEEDS TO THINK OF HER CHILDREN AND WHATS RIGHT FOR THEM OR THEY TOO WILL END UP JUST LIKE THIER DAD AND HIS DAD BEFORE HIM. THEY STAND NO CHANCE..SOCIAL SERVICES NEEDS TO STEP IN AND SAVE ALL OF THE CROSLINS CHILDREN..LATER IN LIFE THEY TOO WILL BE IN JAIL.
May 18th, 2010 at 11:29 am
I do not believe that Misty would cowardly hide under the covers with the boy, while Joe raped and murdered Haleigh in the other room?! Especially, if Joe had molested her in the past. Most victims would give anything to have a chance to avenge their attackers. Also, I do not believe that Joe would kill a little girl b/c guns weren’t available for him to steal/borrow. And, NO I don’t think Ron had anything to do with it. Has Joe or Ron taken polygraph tests? If so, what were the results. We know that Tommy and Misty have taken them and failed with flying colors. I think we are almost there, it’s just a matter of time before there is justice for Haleigh. You’d think that Tommy would tell the truth considering the fact that he’s in the process of losing is own family over this sad, sad situation. Also, you’d think that Ronald would do nothing but tell the truth, so he could be a free man to father his reamining child. If he is guilty of drug charges, so be it. I would use the defense of that he was being fake to get closer to Misty to find out the truth about what happened to Haleigh. Misty, was clearly the ring leader of that whole drug deal anyways. Let Ronald go, let him be free. He’s all ready been thru enough with his daughter missing and his wife being a lying peice of trash. You set him free, then you probably won’t get Misty and Tommy to shut up. Plus, Joe’s not under arrest for anything anyways, so then it’d be a standoff between Misty and Tommy. And then Joe would be a scared little chicken knowing that Ron is out and about waiting to know the truth about his missing daughter. Joe might actually fess up some details then. These people are good, not that good though. We just need to start playing their game.
May 18th, 2010 at 11:35 am
I find it hard to believe that some kid who is maybe a 130 pounds soaking wet, has the whole Croslin clan shaking in their shoes. If they were all so afraid of him, why did they allow him to come and visit in the first? Especially if he really molested Misty as they all say…How old is Joe? Isn’t he only a year or two older than Misty? If he really molested Misty as a child, wouldn’t that have made him just a child at the time too? I am just not buying that he is the psycho child molester the Croslin’s all want us to believe he is. I still think Haleigh overdosed–she either took something herself that was lying around or she was given something to make her sleep. I am willing to bet they gave those kids drugs to make them sleep fairly often, and on Feb 9th something went wrong. I think they are all covering for Ron because they are all scared of him. Even if Ron wasn’t home at the time, he still would have been arrested if Haleigh died of an overdose. There are way to many things about this case that point to Ron knowing what happened that night–all the phone calls and Misty’s behavior on the Today show are just two of them.
May 18th, 2010 at 11:43 am
I don’t think Ron had anything to do w/the killing of his daughter! Even if he owed a drug debt & they killed his daughter as revenge, that is not his fault. Addiction is a disease (which is a whole other can of worms), but it is not an excuse for murder! Ron should not have to serve 15 yrs for drugs! Esp all he has been thru, he should get off free & clear! Ron should be sentenced to rehab & probation in my opinion! Misty & Tommy can’t tell the truth! I have never heard so many lies. If they truly stood by & did nothing while this child was murdered, they are just as guilty as if they did it themselves!
May 18th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
Art, I’m sorry, I do not believe alot of what comes out of Flora’s mouth. Tommy and Misty knew that all the calls from the jail are being recorded…mail looked at. I believe they have played her like they’ve played everybody else in this horrible crime. Flora comes up with her own ideas like “I think she was raped”…come on, I’m a grand mother of 6 children and no way would I come on National TV and come up with assummptions like that. If you have something to say, then say the truth, this all started with a gun and drugs!
The bottom line is…this entire family is lower than low, one lies for the other. It’s pathetic, but in the end, I hope the police put the whole lot behind bars for life!
May 18th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
I do not believe gor one minute “cousin Joe” killed Haleigh. I think Misty was jealous of Haleigh and gave her the oxycotin and when Haleigh was dead called brother Tommy to help set up the scene and dispose of Little Haleigh. Misty and Tommy alone are the ones who are involved in this. Cousin Joe had planned this trip with a friend. I cannot see anyone killing a child over a gun! I do not believe grandma Hollars I think she is only after the reward. What grandma calls the police everythime one of them call her? Does she think the police do not know what is already been taped on these calls. The great grandmother of Haleigh was at the trailer at 7:30 dropping of the children’s clean clothes because Misty could not clean them correctly. The children where on the front porch eating at 7:30. Misty said she put Haleigh to bed at 8 but never said what time Jr was put to bed. She claims to have washed Haleigh’s blanket yet the machines where filled with dirty clothes and there was no laundry soap in the trailer. I believe the great grandmother. The police spoke with Joe twice before they cleared him to eave FL and he even agreed to another interview in TN. He has nothing to hide and is NOT A SUSPECT! And Misty’s statement I didn’t do nuthin to that child speaks volumes. It’s Misty and Tommy. Not cousin Joe. Good Lord look at him who would be affraid of him? Wonder what Misty thinks about Ron turning on her. I guess the love is gone. She better start talking her life is over anyway. My heart goes out to Crystal, Haleigh’s mom. RIP Haleigh.
May 18th, 2010 at 6:31 pm
Art, Misty never appeared to be afraid at any one point during the entire investigation while out walking free. In face she was from time to time, giddy, smirking, arrogant, coy, laughing, etc. The only time she cried is in the beginning and it wasn’t over Haleigh, it was tears for herself…”I didn’t do anything to that little girl” She appeared a bit flighty when asked on National TV after marrying Ron, what happened to Haleigh and why the conflicting stories. She looked around, and then shrugged her shoulders and said I dont know.
I donot believe that Joe killed Haleigh hin a rage or revenge. Don’t get me wrong, I can see that he is no angel, but I don’t think he did it. I think he was the “clean up” man and so was Tommy. I think Tommy would move heaven and earth to save his sister. He seems to feel the burden of protecting her at all costs. Probably been like that since they were tiny kids.
Especially since she is able to supply him with drugs so easily. I think the MISTY killed Haleigh herself, and then panicked. But when she met Ronald at the back door, her words were chilling….. I think Ron knew in his gut that Misty knew what happened and “let” it happen. Only I believe the truth will show that MISTY did it. Then on top of all that, she profited from it. She became a star, traveled, hair, clothes, makeup, etc. She couldn’t wipe that smile off her face and when asked questions a cloud would come over her face turning it cold as stone and she told people to leave her alone, to get on with it and go look somewhere eles. Cant wait to hear whats up now. You and the Law, all forms of the law are very Tenacious about this and I thank you. You are all in our prayers.
Debbie in California
ps. Art, go back in March I think and read the email I sent you about a dreamm. It had Misty, and 2 men in it. Well the men, are the spitting image of Joe and Tommy. Check it out. It scared the heck out of me at 1st so you posted for me. Remember ? Misty is the one calling the shots. Also $35,000 was mentioned in it.
May 18th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
Hey Art, Do you truly believe that an arrest is imminent in this case?? Because after everything that has gone on in the last 15 months, I’m seriously starting to lose faith!
May 18th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
OK – here goes. I’ve been an arm chair detective since the beginning. I believe that Flora Hollars, the Croslins, Ron and Joe Overstreet are involved in an interstate drug traffic ring between the pain clinics in Florida and Tennessee Oxy/Hydro abusers. How else could Joe so easily afford to travel to the Satsuma area – gas isn’t $1.39/gal any more (or plane ticket)??? I can’t afford to just run to Florida on a whim & I make a good income. I just wonder if there’s already a current DEA investigation happening between the Satsuma and Nashville areas. I bet there was another, higher level drug dealer person in the trailer the night Haleigh disappeared (and was killed). To see a gun collection – give me a break!! They’re all idiots and I doubt seriously if they’d be poaching deer in Florida while doing dealing. I didn’t think dealers abused drugs – or they do drugs when they’re not buying/selling. I bet this high level dealer from Tennessee came down with Joe after Joe couldn’t come up with money owed. So…..Joe came up with the idea of getting Ron’s gun as a partial payment(maybe with Ron’s knowledge?). The gun wasn’t there…so this mystery dealer went ape s&^% in the trailer. I can see Misty covering her head, I bet Haleigh was fatally drugged to keep her quiet (accidental) & then assaulted, Joe & Tommy were witnesses (I can see Tommy and Misty just totally incapacitated until this dealer took off to go back to Tennessee?), and this dealer has everyone scared to death (to this day). I think Joe & Tommy discarded the body of Haleigh and Misty just went along. Hence, Tommy’s fear of someone hurting his children. Hmmmmm, wonder if Flora Hollars is using/selling drugs in TN (she does talk a lot – a symptom of using Oxy/Hydro)? Dunno. I also think that Misty married Ron (even after she was told) to keep from testifying against Ron on this first drug deal. Yes, Ron knew about the non-payment of money owed on the first deal, but I don’t think that Ron knew what happened to Haleigh until after he was arrested and jailed on this last drug charge. This is only an opinion and probably not worth much.
May 18th, 2010 at 10:34 pm
I know you must have far better things to do than baby sit this website…
At least I hope you do…
Could anyone shake a stick at Ron and Rattle his cage?
May 18th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
Hi Art.
Anyone check for body fluids on the couch? And why would Jo rape a little girl if the guns were missing? You’d think he would beat the crap out of Misty because she said the guns were there. Plus he would piss Ronald off if Ron knew he raped Misty….check for the body fluids..and I’m sure little Haleigh was screaming,,,any neighbors hear??? There are just so many lies going on……what you do in the dark, will surely come out in the light……. And puleeze don’t feel sorry for Misty, like she had a bad life..I’m sure she smoked and used drugs right along with her Ma & Pa…And Ronald, if I am not mistaken only knew Misty a couple months…Do you really think the family fell so much in love with Haleigh and Junior in that short of time. Ronald hardly knew her himself…..Well she pretty much talks big and bad behind those jail bars.. I don’t feel sorry for her and her fake tears on tv…..Looking stupid trying to make her self cry…..Give me a break…Great Job Art…God Bless
May 19th, 2010 at 10:01 am
Overstreet shot Haleigh in the trailer and there was, what, NO BLOOD?
Misty, Tommy and Joe are not exactly rocket scientists. How can there not be a shred of physical evidence to support this scenario in the trailer? Or in “the van they took”? Or on Misty’s blanket that was in the van?
If LE had enough physical evidence to piece this puzzle together without Misty’s letter the 3 of them would have been in jail doing time for the crime by now.
While the story itself seems plausible, I’m having trouble with these particular people having the brainpower to clean it all up and make it look like it didn’t happen.
May 19th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
If I had been molested by a relative, I wouldn’t allow him in my house, let alone arrange for him to have a gun, and why would the Croslin family( who seems to be pretty protective of Misty)allow Joe into any of their homes since they all apparently knew this?
And Tommy did not say Joe’s name on the jailhouse tape. Flo said, is it Joe? I knew it was Joe. I think Tommy was gonna say something else. And when he said he has to pay. Maybe he meant he has to pay because he molested Misty when she was younger and Joe and Tommy BOTH got rid of Haliegh’s body and Joe is walking and Tommy isn’t. I still believe Misty did it and Ronald is not involved in any way with the death of his daughter. Some other lowlife stuff but not involved with his daughter’s disappearance.
May 19th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
If Ron is to testify against Misty in order to get his plea deal, what can he possible say?
Keep up the great work Art. We’re with you 100% of the way.
May 19th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
Make that possibly say (sorry)! Thanks.
May 19th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
Now Misty was hovered under the covers clutching Jr.? I watched her interview when she said she wished whoever took Haliegh would have taken her instead of a poor helpless child. Seems to me that while Joe is supposedly busy attacking Haliegh, the perfect time to call 911.
May 19th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
Art,
Hope you are ok….Haven’t seen any new updates! We all love your take on things and miss them.
We miss the other folks post as well…Take Care
May 19th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
hey art good reporting. I think all 4 of them know what happen and they should come clean. how can anyone go around selling drugs and laughing plus go on with life like a little angel is missing. as a mother myself i would be out there all the time trying to find my child no matter what. i couldn’t go around with a smile on my face knowing my child is missing. i say no plea deal for any of them. throw the book at them and then we will know we have the right ones.
May 19th, 2010 at 8:41 pm
ART I REALLY HOPE YOU GET YOUR ON SHOW SOON. I STARTED WATCHING NANCY GRACE A LONG TIME BACK. I WATCH HER FOR INFORMATION ON CASES LIKE THIS, I AM WATCHING HER TONIGHT AND SHE IS MAKING ME SICK I HEAR HER TALK DOWN TO EVERY ONE ON THE SHOW I HAVE HAD ENOUGH AND I CHANGED THE CHANNEL AND NOW I BLOCKED THE CHANEL ON MY TV. SICK SICK SICK. I NOW SHE DOES A LOT OF GOOD FOR SOME CASES BUT SHE IS JUST DOWN RIGHT GONE OVERBOARD. I AM GOIG TO FACEBOOK AND BECOME A FAN AND POST HER A RUDE NOTE. NO CUSSING BUT RUDE..
May 19th, 2010 at 11:49 pm
I know that we teach our kids to tell an adult if someone is doing something bad to them…maybe I’m comparing this case to the Anthony case too much where Casey lied about everything from day 1 but I just do not believe the molestation accusations by both Casey and Misty. And that’s very sad to me…but these 2 have done nothing except lie since day 1. Neither helped in the search for their missing children. Everything was about them and only them. I just don’t buy it.
May 20th, 2010 at 12:27 am
Yea y was Tommy all smiling when he said Joe did it??? That was just so weird. I think he wants everyone to belive that JOE DID IT!! It was Ron and Misty had to dispose the body!!
May 20th, 2010 at 12:36 am
Hi Art – Read here more than often and really appreciate your devotion to this case.
First of all, I think “Ducks” has the most believable theory I’ve heard so far.
I have a couple of things that have been bothering me….
What is the significance of who picked up Haleigh at the bus stop around 3 o’clock on that fatal day? How does that time line fit in the picture?
I listened to the tape of Tommy calling Flora. (I assume you deleted the video because I only got audio) Anyhow, I didn’t detect laughter in Tommy’s voice whatsoever and I never heard him actually say the name “Joe”. When he started to tell Flora the story, she chimed in and asked if it was Joe. Tommy said. “Ya, BUT…” and Flora cut him off before he could finish. I was just wondering if there was much more to his story and it was redacted? Or do you think it was nothing at all?
Hoping Haleigh gets justice soon and all involved get what they deserve.
May 20th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
Art,
I really believe that there is not being given enough credit for how much Joe hated Ron.I think when Joe stole the 1st gun that was then recovered on Tommy’s property by Misty that Ron really let Joe have it.I think he humiliated Joe and discredited every ounce of Joe’s “street credibility”(which is apparent to mean everything to Joe as a wana be gun toting thug)I think that Joe knew the payback had to be BIG.Thats when he hatched the plan to steal Ron’s “prized” AK-47.Now known that Misty was also involved,along with Tom&they were to split the profits.I think Joe&Tom spent that evening geting EXTREMELY messed up, weed, pills&alot of alcohol.I think thats when Joes thoughts starting going to REALLY making Ron pay,obsessing over it to Tomm(I beleive Tom&Misty were only aware of the gun as the target)But I think by the time they entered the mh that nite that the drug/alcohol combined with Joes hatred for ROn went OVERBOARD when they realized Ron had removed any guns of importance(as Joe had already stolen the 1&him still in town Ron stored them elsewhere)this made Joe “out of his” mind with anger(Ron thwarting his plan for revenge)&once again the excessive amts of drug/alcohol combined with that anger&need for revenge he took Rons MOST “PRIZED” possession(His heart)Haleigh.I believe there was a weapon used on Misty/Tom when they perhaps objected to this or tried to stop him,along with threats to harm Toms kids and after they witnessed him murder Haleigh he used this weapon threatening to kill them, along with harm to Toms kids&that is how he POSSIBLY forced Tom into aiding in the disposal of little Haleigh. I believe that it is this fact(Tom being directly involved in the disposal)that has been Tom’s biggest fear in coming forward with the truth, because the truth would include him as a direct participant(tho POSSIBLY by force&threat of harm to his children)But do not know if that were so would it make any difference in what Tom faced as charges, if he was forced to aid Joe with disposal?I believe this is very close to what took place that night.If you look at Misty’s “Joe did it” letter&go back to the 1st weeks after Haleighs disappearance her story is much the same. I just believe that main pieces such as Misty&Tom witnessing the murder along with Tom aiding in the disposal are the Huge pieces that have been left out. I think that their stories are alot of the truth minus anything remotely implicating themselves. Lastly I believe the reASON That Ron has COMPLETELY DOWNPLAYED Joe from downplaying the 1st gun stolen&the fight that ensued all way to denying Joe could have even been in the mh that night, I believe RON KNOWS THAT IT IS BECAUSE OF THAT HUGE FIGHT&HIM TEARING APART EVERY SHRED OF JOES “STREET CREDIT” THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE WHY HIS BABY IS DEAD. AND THAT IS TOO MUCH FOR HIM TO BEAR.
Art, what do u think? Please let me know what your “take” is on what I believe to be very close to what actually happened that night&the reasons for Toms reluctance to come forward with the truth. Do u know if it would make a difference in what charges that Tom would face IF he was threatened death by Joe with a gun, knife, etc&harm also to his kids therefore forcing him to aid in the disposal of our precious lil Haleigh? Would this make a difference?
Thanks so much Art and I look forward to seeing this all the way thru to the end with you, my friend. Your dedication to Haleigh’s justice is noteworthy!!!
May 21st, 2010 at 12:58 am
Art, you have got to get your own show. No one reports the facts like you do. You always ask the questions that I have been wanting to ask. You are one of the few that don’t take everything Ron says as truth. I am 100% convinced that the fear that Tommy spoke of during the call with Granny Hollers is related to RON, not Cousin Joe. After seeing how callous Ron was with Haleigh, he feels all his fears are more than justified. I just feel that everything he was saying was related to Ron and then granny is the one who mentioned Joe’s name. I think the plan has always been to try and hold out on le and stick with their original story but it had been agreed that when they were out of options it would be all put on Joe. Just my 2cents! Please tell us how we can help you get your own show. We are tired of all the stories of Lindsay Lohan & Tiger Woods, no more celebrity justice type shows, we need MORE of just the BALD TRUTH!
May 21st, 2010 at 11:23 am
I think Tommmy did all of it! He molested and then killed Haleigh. I don’t think Joe was involved in that at all. I also don’t think Ronald was involved – what would be the reason for him to be involved – i.e, motive? There is no good motive here unless he had a huge amount of life insurance on the little girl, which is highly doubtful.
Also, Misty is to blame for not stopping the killing of little Haleigh. She is no more afraid of Joe then she is of any other relative – very minor fears. But, yes, she is afraid of Ronald, but that wouldn’t keep her from telling the truth. I do believe it’s Tommy Croslin himself. It’s so obvious he is lying …. the ONE thing he is good at is lies & deceit! That’s it! I sure hope Lindsey will divorce him and she might be headed in that direction, the last I heard.
Tommy Croslin will fry for this! Watch and see!
May 21st, 2010 at 11:34 pm
mjaboston–there was some redaction in that by Tommy’s lawyer, taking out Lindsay’s telelphone number and Hank Sr.’s emotional issues. Art
May 22nd, 2010 at 1:09 am
Mimio–Send her a 3k check for the truck and you can buy it…Art
May 22nd, 2010 at 12:08 pm
I can’t help but believing the person these low lifes claim to fear is not Joe, it’s Ron. It was no coincidence that during the phone call with granny Hollars, (which they all knew was being recorded and more tan likely be released to the public). Granny made it a point to ask Tommy if it was Joe, after which he hesitates then agrees with her. Then later in the conversation, she mentions Ron, which provides Tommy the opportunity to outright deny Ron’s involvement. This was obviously a staged call and a very calculated move. Not sure which nitwit wrote the script but it should fool no one, grannies agreed to it with her reward being the reward money. She just had to sacrifice one grandchild with this story and that would be Joe. It was a win-win situation for everyone but Joe.
May 23rd, 2010 at 5:40 am
How many people do you know who put their picture on their facebook page pointing a hand gun??? Dont tell me Joe is not to be feared.. He may be small, but that gun makes up for his size.
May 24th, 2010 at 1:01 am
laci–first he stayed with tommy and lindsay, then moved over to timmy and chelsea’s, where he was staying when Haleigh vanished. art
May 24th, 2010 at 1:02 am
mo–he’s been ruled out. cops have talked with him to their satisfaction. art
May 24th, 2010 at 1:06 am
ONLOOKER–JOE HAS NO RECORD AS AN RSO, SO THAT LINE OF RUMOR HAS TO STOP…DID CHELSEA AND LINDSAY TELL ME THEY FELT HE WAS CREEPY, COMMENTING ON THEIR BODIES? YES. DID HE EVER DO ANYTHING OVERTLY OR SEXUALLY ILLEGAL THEY SAW OR EXPERIENCED? NO. ART
May 24th, 2010 at 2:30 am
Art,
There is something that I really need to know and I have no doubt whatsoever that you have the answer along with an explanation as to my question… Here goes… First I want to state that I have never felt that Ron was directly involved in Haleigh’s murder and subsequent cover up(Indirectly is a whole other matter, as I believe his risky and selfish lifestyle is what led to his precious daughter’s demise)With that said, it seems “odd” that LE has ABSOLUTELY NO leaks whatsoever concerning Ron or even any of the Cummings for that matter.ZILCH< ZERO< NONE.They also have NOT released any of his phonecalls(minus the couple when he was first incarcerated)nothing released audio/video from any of his visitation, either. This I find extremely strange. I was told today by someone that when PCSO was asked about this matter that they said yes, his calls were recorded but they were too busy to have anyone pull, evaluate by listening, and then release them to the media. That it just was NOT a priority. This "floored" me(even I who am a believer he is innocent in all to do with Haleigh) it still baffles me. So my question to you(and if you'd please,of course when you have an extra moment, let me know what u know&your opinion of such)is LE treating him as a CLEARED SUSPECT&they're just not relaying or confirming this to the media for certain reasons? Because it seems to me even if he were LAST ON THE LIST(as Shoemaker somewhat implied at 1 point when asked)of suspects or a POI(either 1) wouldn't LE continue monitoring and going thru with a fine tooth comb(as they do the Croslins)just to "possibly" hear or see something that would help LE with this investigation? I really would have thought they would…. As I said, whenever you have an extra moment if you could give me any insight you may have into this subject I would(as I always am)be extremely greatful! Art, keep up the good work. I'm feeling we may be entering the home stretch quite soon. Then its on to Victory for "Justice for our precious Haleigh"
Again much thanks..
May 25th, 2010 at 1:15 am
Vinny- Hope she keeps reading our site as she has been and sees your insight and advice. art
May 25th, 2010 at 1:31 am
Valarie–
At least you are educated enough to get it.
As we’ve see on this site at times, and often on others, many are not, and wear ignorance on their sleeves for all the world to see. Greg is indeed the one, and is in fact light-skinned as you can see, and has been struggling with drugs and trying to escape the habits of those he runs with for years. He once told me he lost heart when his record, at least how he explained it to me, stood in the way of winning a scholarship or state school aide to pursue his chosen field…He’s been arrested for possessing drugs, selling drugs, even though he told me he aimed to get out of that world. In Satsuma, as his mother explained it to me, even the best intentions are often doomed by the company you keep. And now we see he’s back in the Putnam county jail, charged with drugs, and near the man whose girlfriend chose him for a wild weekend of drugs, sex and revenge romance.
From many conversations I’ve had with Greg, and his family, he has so much potential, and I pray he’s not involved as my sources close to the case have confirmed to this point. Art
May 27th, 2010 at 10:35 am
Art, you did a good job reporting on NG last night. It really makes me mad when NG up-holds Ronald Cummings. Mark Klaas hit it on the head talking about Ron and using young girls. NG did not want to hear about that. If it was anyone else she would have alot to say about it. Only thing i agree with what Misty says is that “drama entered her life when she got mixed up with ron and his family. I believe she fell into trouble when she got with Ronald
May 31st, 2010 at 2:36 am
jennifer–
my loyal readers are indeed brilliant, and their wheels never stop cranking. we appreciate their support. glad to know you are among them. art
May 31st, 2010 at 9:35 am
happy–what my sources told me is that tommy claimed there was rope in the van, and when he got it back, presumably from Joe driving it that night–if he did in fact drive it from Chelsea and Timmy’s–the rope was gone…then Lindsay leads LE to his house to retrieve yellow rope. FH reported that’s what Misty told her had been used to anchor Haleigh’s body down…art
June 1st, 2010 at 6:51 pm
KIM, YOU ARE RIGHT ON THE MONEY WITH YOUR COMMENT/S! I BELIEVE EXACTLY AS YOU BELIEVE. CUMMINGS-GUILTY